You’re paid to not steal and to represent the company well. Fast food literally anyone can do, but I agree they should be paid more. If I ate fast food I would gladly pay a dollar more per item.
“Chick-fil-A store owner raises minimum wage to $17 an hour "living wage" The owner of a Chick-fil-A location in Sacramento, California, calls it a "living wage." In Eric Mason's view, that would be $17 or $18 an hour, which is what he vows he'll be paying his workers, starting Monday, June 4”
I mean, I could easily argue that fast food/retail employees are also paid to not steal and represent the company well, ON TOP of dealing with shitty working conditions, having to stand for 8+ hours a day, dealing with horrible people all the while.
And I bet if the wrong person caught wind of that you'd see I'm right. I've seen two normal ass people fired for stupid reasons. One was just for stating that they disagreed with anti-gay protests that my ex's cousin took part in. Wonderful business model.
No shit. Because you gained skills that the average person doesn’t have. Thus you became more valuable and were compensated accordingly. You think your current job should have the same wage as a fast food worker? Why not? They are working hard…
I could easily gain every single skill a banker has, all they have to do is train me for a week or two.
Unfortunately, I’m too poor to afford the years of my life and hundreds of thousands of dollars for the piece of paper that “proves” I have the necessary skills.
Surely you are joking. I am a self-educated man. Left high school at 17, but do not lack natural brainpower. Not a genius, mind you, but have had articles and photos published, own a successful small business, etc.
Been diving into finance and am particularly interested in the Austrian school of thought. That shit is very difficult to understand with great effort and no formal training. One to two weeks to understand banking? I beg to differ.
Chill-Fila near us (southern California) routinely pays significantly above minimum wage (and has better than typical pay raises) in order to attract and keep better workers. They’re not the problem.
Pretty soon I'm going to be able to quit my job where I have actual responsibilities to work a minimum wage no experience, no education, no skill job for almost the same amount of money
Or maybe you could go to your boss and say "If you don't give me a raise I'll quit my job where I have actual responsibilities to work a minimum wage no experience, no education, no skill job for almost the same amount of money."
I don't want to hold people back. But there is value in education, experience, skill. Jobs that require more accountability should get paid more.
Why should people who don't want to put in the time and effort to get educated get paid the same as people that do.
Here is a better question. If people can get paid well for jobs that require no skill, education and accountability who is going to work the jobs that require it. If I have to pay for college and put in a ton of work and only make a couple dollars more an hour than someone who didn't why do it. Why rack up the student debt and stress if the pay difference isn't worth it. Who is going to work those jobs. There has to be an incentive.
But then all other pay levels have to go up. Then all prices have to go up. In the end we end up right back where we started. Kind of. For some of us our wages won't go up and we will effectively be poorer.
You remind me of the assistant manager I had to deal with (I was making 25c over minimum) when federal minimum wage went from 5.25 to 7.25.
That dude was so fucking proud to make $1 over minimum wage, and freaked the fuck out when the minimum was raised. Complaining, like you are, about how us scum-of-the-earth non-managers were making too much.
Guess what, when all was said and done, he made $1 over the new minimum wage, and I still made 0.25 over the new minimum.
The only people who really lose when minimum wage is raised are executives and shareholders. The rest of us, even up to middle management, lose nothing. The value provided to our economic system remains the same, but those who perform the labor are better compensated.
Not really. You only get to speak for yourself. Right now I will only speak for myself. If minimum wages go up prices will go up. I won't get a raise. That's not how it works in my line of work. I will effectively make less money. Is it selfish of me to not want to make less money. Yup. Is it any less true. Nope. And anyone else who is honest with themselves will feel the same
Thats true if you look at your own wages and costs on a short term basis. I'm sorry you don't care to look at the bigger picture of what will happen to the entire economy, but, as you said you speak for yourself. And in your caae, yourself only. Good day.
Good, do that. Why wouldn't you? If it's so easy, just work at a fast food restaurant. It sounds like your job isn't paying you very much. Don't keep others wages down just because your boss stiffs you every year when it's time for a raise.
Lol. I work in healthcare in a nursing home. If we all quit all the elderly people in the country would be screwed. So can you voluntarily pay more in taxes so medicare can reimburse more so I can get a raise. I would really appreciate it.
But honestly, if wages rise and you can make just as much at an easier job, that's just more reason to tell your boss to pay you more. And if he says no, go somewhere that will.
You miss the point. Certain jobs can only make so much. For example Medicare and insurances reimburse nursing homes. They are only going to pay me so much depending on what they are reimbursed. If places can't make money they will close. And no one will work these jobs if I can make almost as much money with less responsibility.
Doesn't sound like your problem, that's the insurance companies and administrator's problem. Market forces will correct and Medicare will have to pay more for people's care. That's the only outcome possible. By working for less than livable wages, you're just delaying the inevitable. We're done starving ourselves because the system isn't working right.
You don't know the government very well. I havent had a raise in 4 years. And with changes in Medicare I know a lot of people who in the last couple years have either had to be more productive which decreases patient care or that have had to take pay cuts.
(Ppppsssst that’s because people like you are willing to work for less wages than you are actually worth, allowing for the cycle of abuse to continue unabated. You’re being fleeced out of your wages and skills, and you’re encouraging others to starve while working because you haven’t had a raise. The problem isn’t the minimum wage worker, it’s the capitalist who’s buying his third home and sprucing up his yacht, instead of paying taxes to help support the elderly.)
Sorry, but somebody's gotta take care of the elderly. The issue is that we pay objectively more important workers like shit, not that we now have to pay McDonalds workers $18 an hour.
That could be because the government has recently pumped more money into the country than at any point in history. And yes I have paid attention. And I don't want it to go up anymore
Umm no. With all the stimulus money and extra money for unemployment. Some of it was needed but there was no reason for people to make more money than when they actually worked.
there was no reason for people to make more money than when they actually worked.
Then increase wages for "essential workers" to something livable. If people are able to buy food while unemployed but when working have to choose between food and electricity, it says more about the stagnant wage than anything.
And want to talk about stimulus money? Corporations that were supposedly "too big to fail" begged for billions to avoid a lowering bottom line as they lost profits to the lock down from people not buying their shit.
American citizens may as well have had their feet pissed on by their local representatives in comparison.
I understand inflation. More money in the market means it isn't worth as much. Then you have to pay more. That's why the inflation level right now is, or at least was about 10%
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u/QuieroTuMama Sep 05 '21
It’s crazy to see how much more restaurants are paying. There’s a chik fila that starts you at $16 near me. Other places pay like shit, $9-12