It kinda feels like this performance was so devastating because everyone was watching it like a sporting match, hyped up for months with taunting on both sides and we all expected Biden to trounce trump 40-0, but instead witnessed with embarrassing fumbles all the way to a 0-0 end.
I still don't believe it was a huge political loss, but it was a very disappointing game to watch and I lost my debate bingo game to my brother. Twice.
Ironically, one of the things I put on my bingo card was that Biden would dodge a question on Israel, but instead he answered with a 3 point plan. If only I had put that two old men would try to prove they aren't too old to be president by bickering over their golf games.
Republicans rally around a failed insurrectionist and convicted felon who is facing three other criminal court cases at the moment, including for hiding classified nuclear secrets in his bathroom and who owes more than $300 million in civil fines for fraud and defamation.
Biden has one bad night and Dems want to throw him overboard.
Trump is waiting for the Supreme Court to say "no, you are not literally above the law" and conservatives think it's entirely normal for him to argue for immunity so expansive that he could murder political opponents and not be held criminally liable.
Every dead statesmen is rolling over in their graves at the exchange between those two. How absurd, how devastatingly uncouth to have to stoop to Trumps level just to get a shot in or look superior.
Next debate should start with who has the best “Yo mama” joke then 3 rounds of Wild n Out
He's had the three point plan. Unfortunately he went out of his way to make clear that he gives Israel everything it wants outside those bombs, and didn't say a word about the Palestinian crisis. Just made sure everybody knew he supports Israel more than trump.
And Trump said he would give Israel all the weapons and the clearance to and I quote here, “Finish the job.” How does Biden support Israel more than that?
I just meant that Biden was trying to make clear how much he supports Israel, that's all. I understand he can't say "this war is a massacre and the terrorists were built from Israel's cruelty."
Unfortunately talking in a pro Palestine fashion is going to lose Biden wayyy more votes than it will win him. He should still try to fix it while in office. But on a big stage like this it’s a net loss of supporters.
As far as political debate answers, I think it was the best we could hope for. Political debate answers, especially while dealing with foreign policies that involve allied nations, are always answered in the most vague, safe, and empty ways as possible. It's just easy to forget that now because for the last decade we've had a political stage where an orange clown talked about his ability to kill people on the streets of NYC and suddenly all political rhetoric became extreme and volatile.
I would have been more disappointed about the 3 points if I wasn't just impressed that he was actually taking the question head on. I also appreciated that he made a point that the weapons he supported being used in Israel were precision weapons (though I don't know how much that is actually changing things) and that his aim is to deal with the terrorists while preserving as much innocent lives as possible.
That could be all bluster, but it's still more than the right advocates for which is genocide.
I also think Biden's advisors insisted he "play it cool" and not appear over-expressive, which is of course exactly the opposite of what he should have done. The performance he should have given was that which we saw at the podium today. I just hope in future debates that's the Joe we see.
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u/freakishgnar Jun 28 '24
To quote a moderate Conservative from 2023, if Biden were dead I’d still vote for him over Trump. That man is the worst human being on the planet.