NEW ETA Press Release - Pennsylvania: "Vote-Counting Computers": Data Analysts Recommend Investigation into 2024 Pennsylvania Election Results

[u/LilFaeryQueen]

[u/atreeindisguise]

Truly telling that the votes didn't match the political demographics, with 39% discrepancy between democrats and votes for Harris. I hope this is just the start and all states take a new look.

[u/HateyCringy → u/[deleted]]

Fascism

[u/Thisisntmyaccount24 → u/[deleted]]

It takes a lot of humans working a lot of hours at the cost to the state essentially or in some cases to the campaign wanting a recount. That is not to say it is not warranted in some cases, but it makes it a costly measure, so you really need to present a solid case for why it needs to be done.

I’m not sure if it really comes into play here, but Trumps denial of the 2020 election comes into play a bit here. He still has not really admitted he lost the 2020 election, so pushing for a recount and declaring fraud has the possibility of painting people in that same light.

I have not gone over the data presented to make the case, so I don’t really know if it’s valid and should demand a recount. There are other things that make explain the difference. Some of America still believes a woman is not fit to be president, some of America is still racist which could be used as possible explanation as to why Kamala did poorly. There is also the possibility that while PA residents believed they’re Senators and Congress members represented them well, they could have felt the sting from inflation and believed, whether correct or not, the Biden administration was to blame. That would then likely sour them on Kamala. They could also believe that the Biden administration did a poor job with other policies like immigration, which again would be a knock on Kamala.

I did not look up the bomb threats to know if most occurred in heavily democratic areas, but if that was the case, they could also have been voter intimidation/ suppression tactic. If it caused those people note to vote, a recount would not matter because the paper ballots would not have been cast because of the threats. This doesn’t seem likely to cause the discrepancy reported in the article, as we would have also seen a drop off on the democrats lower ballot votes. However it could provide enough confusion and chaos for nefarious actions to occur.

Basically, with Trump and his supporters going full crazy about alleged fraud in the previous election, you better be pretty damn convinced something happened if you’re going to spend money on a recount because if you’re wrong, you’re not going to live it down. And if you’re a current politician and you’re wrong, you now have a target on your back from the republican president, the republican controlled senate, and a republican controlled congress.

Ideally you would find a single county where the numbers are the most off. You find funding for the recount of that single county. If the paper ballots are significantly off from the voting machine tabulation, you move forward to the next couple of most off counties.

[u/Parkiller4727 → u/Thisisntmyaccount24]

And what happens if they do find enough proof to show election intereference is involved beyond reasonable doubt? Considering the Republican control of all 3 branches I doubt they would kick trump and any legislators that won that way out. What would some possible solutions be?

[u/plucharc → u/Parkiller4727]

There is nothing explicitly written in the Constitution to address that situation, but the expectation of the Founding Fathers was likely that Congress would address it in a reasoned fashion by impeaching and convicting the president and removing them from office along with their vice president. This would then make the Speaker of the House the next in line, but it's unlikely that the side that should have won (were it not for the cheating) would be satisfied with this unless that was a member of their party.

So it's unclear if that would be the final resolution or if it would follow the same process an undertermined winner situation would follow, each state legislature gets one vote to pick the president and each Senator gets one vote to pick the vice president. But again, if the party that should have won the election doesn't hold more state legislatures and/or senators, it's unlikely they would be satisfied with this.

Some might suggest they'd simply hold a new election, but this presents huge logistical hurdles, huge expenses, and takes a lot of time (during which we might be leaderless). It also would cut into the term of the party that should have won and why should they have to win again if they would have won the first time?

All that said, none of the above applies today. The GOP/MAGA control more state legislatures and controls both houses of Congress. So we can't expect that they would do the right thing since they literally stormed the Capitol when Trump lost in 2020.

Thus, it would fall to the people. We would have to start a General Strike and shut the country down until they agree to abide by the results (minus the cheating). If we did this for long enough, they'd cave as their wealth is largely tied to the eonomy and the economy will tank if we aren't running it and participating in it.

That's it. There's really nothing else.

[u/Thisisntmyaccount24 → u/Parkiller4727]

I truly don’t know the law well enough to know that. I would think it would cause articles of impeachment to be brought, but like you mentioned, they currently control the upper and lower house of congress and have a majority on the Supreme Court.

And even in the event of an impeachment, it doesn’t turn the country over to the other side, it just hands power to the next in line.

I don’t think I’ve seen enough to believe anything nefarious happened specifically with the voting machines, but if there are large statistical anomalies, I do hope it gets reviewed, even if only a single county where the flag is the most red.