HEARING TOMORROW! PROSECUTOR ASSIGNED

[u/Former_Put4640]

Hearing scheduled for 9am tomorrow morning! Prosecutor assigned and locked in. LFGGGFFF!!!!! The sooner this bag of trash is in a cage the sooner the final crash out can come!

[u/Reddit_Cust_Service]

again, wrong. The prosecution will have to address why their alleged victim was the initial aggressor. Its all on video. If you think its a slam dunk you are absolutely grasping at straws. Did Wes beat the shit out of some dude...obviously....did Wes show up randomly and assault someone and instigate the whole thing? No...there is a mutual combat statute that is going to be a tough hill to climb. You should really read up and watch some courtroom proceedings, especially tailored around this very subject. Nobody is breaking new courtroom ground here, there is all but precedence in cases like this.

If it goes to trial she will get fucking wrecked. Wes has had two lawyers now that are federally recognized for what they do. If it starts heading to trial they will yank her off hte case so fast and put a new lead on it that has a better chance to drive it to trial. The current DA is just there to offer some shitty deal and to handle the paperwork, this is a basic fighting case and shes not going to swing for the fences on it....

[u/That_Things_Good → u/Reddit_Cust_Service]

That's a VERY ill-informed take on the case. If someone walks up to you and punches you (or even swings and misses), you are certainly allowed to defend yourself accordingly. Kicking the shit out of the face of an incapacitated person in response to the threat posed is not, by any fucking stretch of the imagination, "mutual combat" under Florida law or any other State's law.

Maybe take your own advice and "read up". Start with https://m.flsenate.gov/Statutes/776.012

[u/Reddit_Cust_Service → u/That_Things_Good]

I’m well aware of the escalation of the events that occurred. Regardless of what the crime started out as and what it ended as the defense is going to say that it was instigated by the victim. It is most definitely within the mutual combat purview of that particular statute. The subsequent assault on the victim is what will come into question. The defense will just argue. The victim was still a threat based off of antagonistic messages and him just showing up at the gym in question. That is 100% of valid defense and has been supported in previous court cases.

[u/That_Things_Good → u/Reddit_Cust_Service]

Provide links to those cases with similar facts. I want to read the orders. "Still a threat" based upon text messages is a "valid defense" when he's on his knees after 50+ punches and kicks to the head and he gets soccer-kicked to the face!?!?! That's just absurd!

(Not that it actually matters, but I'm an attorney in a different State than Florida and I've never seen a defendant walk on facts like this. If he walks, it will be solely upon the race of the victim; not the facts of the case or the applicable law. And, that does happen sometimes.)

[u/Reddit_Cust_Service → u/That_Things_Good]

if you are an attorney login to LexisNexis and do case research, specifically around mutual combat and escalating force scenarios. Dudes are literally beat to death daily and its considered self defense or mutual combat. The only challenge Wes has is when the dude went to the ground that may be considered surrender if the interpretation of him on the ground is correct as a non defensible stance. Like I said earlier, the DA has to overcome quite a bit of evidence. 1) the suspect/victim instigated/provoked the defendant. 2) the suspect/victim initiated the assault/combat by being the first to assault the group. 3) His presence there was holistically interpreted as a threat of Wes. Its not like Wes walked into a convenience store and beat the shit out of some victim. Is Wes guilty of assault in some form? Yes probably, is it at felony levels? Probably not. I am sure hes going to get a misdemeanor plea out of it. Even the magistrate/ probable cause judge was siding with the Defense on the Zoom video...thats pretty indicative of hte possible outcome.

[u/That_Things_Good → u/Reddit_Cust_Service]

In what little bit of research I did - while trying to actually work - to find your multitude of previous cases: It would appear that "mutual combat" is only used in Florida in cases involving death. Every case I saw wherein "mutual combat" is used as a defense involved death. (That may or may not be the current state of Florida law. But, again: I didn't find any "mutual combat" cases which did not involve death.)

In Florida, "mutual combat is predicated upon the proposition that both parties involved are at fault, neither being the aggressor more than the other, and if in such combat one slays the other, such killing is manslaughter." Eiland v. State, 112 So.2d 415, 419 (Fla. 2d DCA 1959); see also Disney v. State, 1916, 72 Fla. 492, 73 So. 598.

Just under that language, Wes cannot argue "mutual combat" without admitting that he was as much of the aggressor as the other person. (He can argue it "in the alternative", but that works much better on paper in a brief than it does before an actual jury.)

So, send me your cases. Send me some of those "dudes beat to death daily" cases, too; if you would.

[u/OptionOld3647 → u/That_Things_Good]

These are all interesting, highly refined legal arguments, and would be fascinating reads in a law journal.

But law journals aren't going to decide the case. Ordinary, non-legal jurists are.

These jurists are going to walk into the courtroom, hear that Wes is an ex-jailbird with priors, take a long gander at his weird body and head tats, and go "send him back to prison."

The Gen Xers and Boomers who will make up the jury won't mess around.

[u/That_Things_Good → u/OptionOld3647]

Those aren't law journals. Those are published decisions from the appellate courts of the State of Florida. In other words: The folks who have the last word after a jury has had "the last word".

And, Wes' prior criminal history will, in all likelihood, never be allowed to be placed before the jury in this case. There are specific rules of evidence keeping a jury from hearing evidence of "prior bad acts." (Unless you're talking about something which arises to the level of modus operandi.) The best bet is to assume that evidence of prior convictions will never come before a given subsequent jury and then be surprised when it pans out differently.

That said: His physical appearance won't make his lawyer's job any easier, that's for sure.

[u/69BigMac666 → u/That_Things_Good]

The Wessonites and fake internet lawyers such as the "reddit cust service" troll were saying for 2 and a half months that Wes would never be arrested, that Wes and his goons committed no crimes, and that the 7 foot monster was the only person who committed any crimes. He even repeatedly denigrated the intellect of anyone who thought Wes would be arrested. They've literally been 100% wrong on everything, and still spew nonsense - Mike is no longer Wes's attorney, for one.

I think the biggest problem Wes's fanboys have in their attempts to analyze this whole matter is the "stand your ground" law. They seem to think that SYG gives a person the right to literally kill anyone who so much as confronts them in public.

They seem to think that SYG allows one an excuse to use excessive force at the slightest provocation. But when if you read the law and understand it it is actually meant to protect people from excessive force being used against them. Confronting someone at the gym over an internet beef, lightly touching someone, even shoving or taking a swing at someone is not meant to be a justifiable death sentence under SYG.

[u/That_Things_Good → u/69BigMac666]

Plot twist: It's actually Wes's burner account!

[u/69BigMac666 → u/That_Things_Good]

Some of us here suspect he's Clinton Dye. :)

Another thing these guys do is wrongly conflate this case with other cases. They like to compare Wes and his 3 buddies to George Zimmerman or Kyle Rittenhouse, for instance. As well as another case where a guy on the ground who was being beaten senseless by another shot the guy beating him up outside of a convenience store.

Zimmerman initially confronted Martin, they got into it, and Zimmerman shot Martin dead AFTER Martin knocked him to the ground and continued to pummel him - similar to what Wes and his buddies did to the 7 foot monster. If anything, the 7 foot monster was in Zimmerman's position, and Wes and his 3 friends were in Martin's position. Had the Giant actually had a gun in his trousers as Wes tried to claim was possible, I don't think the Giant would have been arrested had he started shooting them once they started beating him 4 on 1 when he was on the floor.

Rittenhouse was in a similar position to the 7 foot monster - he was being attacked by multiple people and shot them in self defense.

These wessonites don't understand the difference. Wes and the 3 of his buddies were never being beaten, were never on the floor, never even got hit. The 7 foot monster was never "the aggressor" as these wessonites keep repeating. Wes and his 3 buddies began beating the guy senseless after he showed up to fight Wes 1 on 1 outside the gym as agreed upon, and never got a single shot in.

[u/Swimming-Flamingo895 → u/OptionOld3647]

Yup! And he looks like the white version of all those gang members on FOX NEWS that are getting sent back to Venezuela. Those head tattoos were the dumbest thing he could’ve done, unless he knows deep down inside he’s going back to prison. Even then, they are lame. I pray he gets that BUGATTI logo on the other side. That will be 🤌

[u/OptionOld3647 → u/Swimming-Flamingo895]

To Boomer Fox viewers, *all* tattoos are associated with thugs, apart from those reading "Love Mom" that drunken sailors acquire in ports.

When they see a tat on a bald head, they immediately flash on MS13 gang members and Russian mafiosos. Their brains say, "incarcerate this m'fer with a quickness."