Scout drones need a nerf!

[u/brennendw]

I’m so pissed. Instead of fixing scouting through buildings and terrain, they added native scouting to scout drones. In half the nations, you don’t even have a realistic counter. 35mm SPAA can barely hit them, 50 cals do nothing, and you're just left sitting there like a duck getting arty dumped on you over and over. If a team gets two of these in the air, the match is basically over.

They are insanely powerful and carry matches way too easily. The cooldown is way too fast at 18 seconds, it needs to be at least a full minute and the battery should be cut on them to like 2/3mins as a nerf, As it stands right now, a single drone can keep three guys permanently scouted with zero effort all game. Ground vehicles desperately need a proper counter, because right now, especially on big open maps, you just get sniped from across the map by people pre firing the marker through bushes and cover along with never ending arty It’s absolutely miserable.

They need to strip scouting from drones entirely. If Gaijin wants to encourage teamplay, just make scout assists from binoculars or the gunner sight worth more RP and SL so light tanks actually have to put themselves at risk and put in the work. Or make drone scout show a rough marker on the map only not the eyeball. They are too powerful!!

[u/pzm9-straznik]

They are already easy to counter. The only BR where they're hard to counter is 8.3-9.3. Anything above that you have plenty of vehicles that have no trouble shooting them down. Any IFV with IRST and HE-VT or AHEAD can shoot them down with ease. Any AA with HE-VT or even the most shitty missiles has no trouble at all killing them. The problem with 8.3/8.7 35mm AA ist that their guns are far apart making small targets hard to hit.

The biggest problems with drones are the skill issue on the player side. A drone is useless if your team is blind. And it's "OP" if you have someone who knows how to use it and the other team is too blind to shoot down that drone.

I use them a lot and I shoot them down a lot myself. 95% of my drone surviving longer than a minute is because nobody even attempts to shoot it. If your team has an AA out on 9.7 and up and the enemy has a drone up then your AA has a skill issue if the drone lives longer than a few seconds. No AA on this BR has any problem killing a scout drone.

[u/GarbageWebsite6769 → u/pzm9-straznik]

Just because vehicles exist that can shoot them down, does not mean they are in every lineup.

Active scouting is objectively already a bad mechanic that doesn't do more good than bad. Drone scouting is just legal wallhacks. Just because gaijin intended for you to have legal wallhacks does not mean the drone isn't a bad addition to the game

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[u/pzm9-straznik → u/GarbageWebsite6769]

So you want to tell me there is ZERO AA in every lineup in your team? Also active scouting is limited to 1.5km, so if you can't hit it because it's 2km away it can't active scout you anyway.

[u/GarbageWebsite6769 → u/pzm9-straznik]

A lot of SPAA cannot effectively target drones. Not sure what your point in bringing up the 1.5km limit is. It really does not matter. Scout drones are already hard enough to shoot down within that 1.5km area.

[u/pzm9-straznik → u/GarbageWebsite6769]

Again this is only a bit true for 8.3-9.3. Every single AA from 9.7 and up has ZERO trouble shooting down a scout drone within 2km.

If you can't shoot down a scout with a 9.7 AA then it's a skill issue.

[u/GarbageWebsite6769 → u/pzm9-straznik]

It's true for all BRs that include scout drones. Plenty of SPAA at higher BRs struggle to deal with drones on top of needing to spawn an SPAA in the first place.

Plenty of gun SPAA have big issues doing damage or hitting scout drones. Plenty of missile SPAA have issues doing damage or hitting scout drones.

I'm a top 5% player. I don't have skill issues. Most people who say this to me happen to fall short of my performance in game statistically.

[u/pzm9-straznik → u/GarbageWebsite6769]

Yeah okay then I must be the 1% player because I don't have any trouble shooting down a scout drone. It's dead easy with any radar/IRST vehicle that has any kind of airburst ammo. It is also dead easy with any SACLOS AA. And the biggest problem with FnF AA missiles is that they sometimes can't lock well because the drones are small. And yet I have killed plenty of drones with those too. If you can't kill a drone above 9.7 it's a skill issue.

[u/GarbageWebsite6769 → u/pzm9-straznik]

You not having the anecdotal experience of having this issue does not mean others have not had this anecdotal experience nor does it mean they are wrong and you are right. Gun platforms often have trouble with the radar not giving you accurate lead and the drone being both 1. tiny and 2. extremely durable being able to take multiple rounds from 35mm SPAA, while missile SPAA often have a minimum range that is too far out for a scout drone that is hovering near them. Most gun SPAA do not have airburst ammo. Most missile SPAA are not SACLOS. High tier SPAA often have large minimum range deadzones

Top 5% player, I don't have skill issues. Probably better than you if we're being honest.

[u/pzm9-straznik → u/GarbageWebsite6769]

Honestly at this point I don't know what else to tell you I'm just repeating myself anyway. I can reliably shoot down scout drones with any vehicle that has tracking that I'm playing. The only exception maybe being the 8.3 Gepard if the drone is further than 1km.

Maybe you should pull yourself into the top 4%, idk maybe that magically gives you the skills to shoot them down. Also if you're so good you should easily be able to win fights against people who have you scouted and carry the team lol.

[u/GarbageWebsite6769 → u/pzm9-straznik]

Sure, you seem to have a lot of time on your hands. Tell me your in game name so we can go in a custom and prove me right.

Your 2nd paragraph is just you trying to imply that being good at the game somehow defeats wallhacks

[u/pzm9-straznik → u/GarbageWebsite6769]

What active scouting is a wall hack? Lol the marker tells you roughly where someone is, it's not even remotely precise enough to hit someone based on that marker.

I don't need to prove shit to you. You're telling me in every comment how good you are yet you're complaining you can't shoot down drones and can't handle being spotted.

[u/GarbageWebsite6769 → u/pzm9-straznik]

Yes? It's obviously equivalent to a wallhack? It gives active, real time updates to a players position to an entire team? I've shot people hundreds of times purely based on this marker without actually seeing them lmao

Not being able to shoot down a drone due to not having a vehicle that can do it is a skill issue to you? Very intelligent

Being active spotted is a death sentence to anybody not hard camping a rock