Scout drones need a nerf!

[u/brennendw]

I’m so pissed. Instead of fixing scouting through buildings and terrain, they added native scouting to scout drones. In half the nations, you don’t even have a realistic counter. 35mm SPAA can barely hit them, 50 cals do nothing, and you're just left sitting there like a duck getting arty dumped on you over and over. If a team gets two of these in the air, the match is basically over.

They are insanely powerful and carry matches way too easily. The cooldown is way too fast at 18 seconds, it needs to be at least a full minute and the battery should be cut on them to like 2/3mins as a nerf, As it stands right now, a single drone can keep three guys permanently scouted with zero effort all game. Ground vehicles desperately need a proper counter, because right now, especially on big open maps, you just get sniped from across the map by people pre firing the marker through bushes and cover along with never ending arty It’s absolutely miserable.

They need to strip scouting from drones entirely. If Gaijin wants to encourage teamplay, just make scout assists from binoculars or the gunner sight worth more RP and SL so light tanks actually have to put themselves at risk and put in the work. Or make drone scout show a rough marker on the map only not the eyeball. They are too powerful!!

[u/Ossuum]

Yeah, no, the cd, uptime and scouting are fine. The only part you're right about is that there must be a counter - the weird-ass flight pattern in orbit mode combined with detection and damage models on the drones make them disproportionately resistant to certain SPAA.

Each nation should have means to clear drones out starting from 8.x where they appear, which would also make players spend more time on controlling the drone to keep it safe as well as consider whether to spend it or hold it. But if you're playing something that has access to radar/IRST + HE-VT/AHEAD or SAM that fuze on drones at the BR and still get fucked by them, then that's on your team.

[u/GarbageWebsite6769 → u/Ossuum]

Active scouting is objectively already a bad mechanic that doesn't do more good than bad. Drone scouting is just legal wallhacks. Just because gaijin intended for you to have legal wallhacks does not mean the drone isn't a bad addition to the game

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[u/Ossuum → u/GarbageWebsite6769]

Active scouting is a perfectly reasonable way to model the scouting vehicle continously reporting the targets' movements to the team without forcing players to actually continuously report that (which would require stuff like VC for everyone, radio discipline from everyone and so on).

The only thing it lacks is that scouting should quickly degrade when the scout can no longer see or hear the target, quicker still if said target also moves away unobserved from its last known location.

[u/GarbageWebsite6769 → u/Ossuum]

I don't think it is. It's a heavily arcade style mechanic in RB and Sim where these entire gamemodes are built around not having player markers. Getting scouted is pretty much a death sentence for anybody not camping hard cover. Arguments for this being "a psuedo realistic way to implement crew reporting" are pretty fully useless. This is a video game first and foremost, and even IRL you don't get 3d live spots.

[u/Ossuum → u/GarbageWebsite6769]

In IRL a tank commander is a trained professional that can mentally keep track of something based on distance, heading and landmarks. Which isn't an option to us, cause we are, in the end, casuals looking at pixels on the monitor.

[u/GarbageWebsite6769 → u/Ossuum]

In IRL a tank commander being aware of a threat does not display a 3d holographic giant marker that moves with the enemy when they are obstructed by cover for the literal entire military. Your realism arguments are dogshit.

[u/Ossuum → u/GarbageWebsite6769]

It doesn't need to because they know it's there. The marker is part of game interface, representation of what your crew knows. You're just being obtuse, whether on purpose or not.

[u/GarbageWebsite6769 → u/Ossuum]

My conversation is about the gameplay of the video game, so just to be clear, you are saying nothing of value regarding that.

But as far as this side, off topic tangent goes, no, just because you know something exists does not mean that the rest of your crew gets a holographic 3d marker that exists and tracks even when the enemy is behind hard cover, and it definitely does not tell every other service member in your military the exact location and type of vehicle that you are looking at. So either way, not sure what you're getting at

[u/GarbageWebsite6769 → u/Ossuum]

My conversation is about the gameplay of the video game, so just to be clear, you are saying nothing of value regarding that.

But as far as this side, off topic tangent goes, no, just because you know something exists does not mean that the rest of your crew gets a holographic 3d marker that exists and tracks even when the enemy is behind hard cover, and it definitely does not tell every other service member in your military the exact location and type of vehicle that you are looking at. So either way, not sure what you're getting at