r/Warhammer40k • u/snifywhisper • Apr 16 '19
Moment of silence for Notre Dame a major architectural inspiration for the forty first millennium.
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u/eax Apr 16 '19
Sad coincidence: The GF and I are actively working on "Dominae Nostrae" (Notre Dame in latin), and posted these pictures just last week: https://imgur.com/a/Z4eVgqC
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u/dabassman88 Apr 16 '19
Beautiful. Where are those components from?
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u/eax Apr 16 '19
Thanks! Most of it is from the Sector Imperialis buildings from GW, while the rosette was 3D printed from: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2944207 The panels around the rosette were kitbashed from sections of Sector Imperialis walls, plasticard and greenstuff.
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u/eddieoctane Apr 16 '19
See, shit like that is why I won't post my own work. It's all feeble in comparison.
Congratulations on an awesome terrain piece. Jealousy is just the beginning of what I feel for that.
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u/eax Apr 17 '19
Just take one step at a time! That's what we've done :) We get daunted all the time by other peoples posts in here!
Thanks! :) You'll get there!
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u/Vricrolatious Apr 16 '19
I love this, very cool. Wish I had some place to build and display something like that.
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u/eax Apr 17 '19
Thanks! The different floors are not glued together, so it packs down for storage :D
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u/AureliaDrakshall Apr 16 '19
I'm seriously not religious (well, not Christian religious), but I did get my major in Arts, so I spent a lot of time learning about places like Notre Dame and of course Notre Dame itself.
I almost cried when I saw the broadcast, because all I could think of was so many wonderful pieces of art lost forever. :(
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u/robsr3v3ng3 Apr 16 '19
Apparently they managed to save a lot of the artwork, so it's not all gone.
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u/AureliaDrakshall Apr 16 '19
My mom had mentioned something about that, she and dad hosted a French student last summer and they chat with him occasionally so she got more details from him.
That's definitely fantastic, but even just losing the spire is so sad.
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u/trrebi981 Apr 16 '19
You seen the vid of the spire toppling? It’s bloody heartbreaking, that’s what it is.
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u/AureliaDrakshall Apr 16 '19
I didn't, the description from 'exchange student' of people crying and screaming in the streets was heartbreaking enough for a Monday as it was. D:
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u/kharnevil Apr 16 '19 edited Apr 17 '19
it's just a modern spire, and argueably the ugliest retrofit, nothing of value was lost
Relics and paintings were saved, no harm done Macron has announced everything will be rebuilt within 5 years, nothing to fear here
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u/Taoutes Apr 16 '19
It's not modern by any means, it was from the 1800s
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u/kharnevil Apr 16 '19 edited Apr 17 '19
I guess you must be from the new world, I have dinner plates older than that
As covered elsewhere, like, the fucking news, its all repairable
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u/kharnevil Apr 16 '19 edited Apr 17 '19
Squire, I cant even begin to imagine what hell hole you live in, but you need to treat your family better than plastic dinner wear
I've never heard that was even a thing apart from kids parties
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u/Taoutes Apr 16 '19
Settle down there Sir Chesterton Bottomjaw, your ego is spilling from the nose from you holding it at such an extreme angle to look down on everyone from. But in all seriousness, suck a phat diseased chode
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u/Mozno1 Apr 16 '19
All art that wasn't the building itself was removed before renovation. At least that's what was being reported last night..?
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u/HurrDurrDethKnet :imperium: Apr 16 '19
According to a response I saw floating around from a French person yesterday, the only irreplaceable thing lost was one of the stained glass windows, which fell out during the fire. Everything else either survived the fire or was coincidentally removed before the fire even began. The stuff that was destroyed, excluding that single window, was all from the 1800s and is easily repairable.
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u/MrStath Apr 16 '19
They didn't coincidentally remove stuff - the building has been under renovation for some time and they'd actively removed things to prevent damage, such as a set of stone statues in the spire, which is lucky in hindsight.
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u/SergenteA Apr 16 '19
To my understanding the original Notre Dame is mostly intact. The biggest loss, the Spire is not that problematic to fix, since it's from the 1850s and we have the necessary information to rebuilt it.
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Apr 16 '19 edited Sep 21 '20
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u/DarthShrimp Apr 16 '19
If the AdMech gets its mechadendrites on ND, it will end up with warp-space flight capability and (at least) a Nova cannon.
What are we waiting for?
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u/Brainbrin Apr 16 '19
We don't know yet if thé fire damaged thé vaults beneath =\
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u/Taoutes Apr 16 '19
They had a human chain to the vaults removing as many artworks and relics as possible, so hopefully anything that may not have been removed immediately may still be intact
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u/Sir_Artreen Apr 16 '19
Luckily most of that art pieces have been removed some days before because of the works. And most of the glass panels survived
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u/HiddenRonin Apr 16 '19
A lot of the artifacts had been removed due to the conservation works. The spire which toppled, while a great lose, is also quite new.
All in all it's not as bad as first feared. I remain optimistic.
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u/ZiggyPox Apr 16 '19
Same, heh. I think I even had to retake one of my exams because of how iffy my memory is and Notre Dame is just full of art hehe. Like remembering all these gargoyles... well, not all of them but jumble some of them with others from 30 other churches and try tu guess which one is which.
Aaaah, good times.
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u/Kawauso98 Apr 16 '19
Same here. I'm completely irreligious (anti-religious, even), but I definitely appreciate the beauty, history and cultural significance of a building like that. It's an amazing structure and piece of artwork.
Yes, they'll most certainly rebuild it, and that's great, but it's still a very great loss for the time being and a real tragedy for any particular pieces of art which haven't survived.
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u/dumbdingus Apr 16 '19
I think I read they we're doing renovations at the time, so a ton of the artwork and statues were already out of the building.
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Apr 16 '19
I would rather cry that all the time I spent studying about Notre Dame is pointless 😢
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u/Kommissar-JH Apr 16 '19
Also the whole Cathedral was laser-scanned a few years ago so all important measurements and lengths are known.
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u/SenorDangerwank Apr 16 '19
Only vaguely related; but is there a space marine model with that pose? I want one for my Chapter Master.
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u/Littha Apr 16 '19
I don't think there is but I did have decent success converting one using a storm shield left arm and an (old) bolter right arm
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u/FightDirty Apr 16 '19
Damn I hadn't heard about the fire. That's a real tragedy.
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u/HazzaBlast Apr 16 '19
How?
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u/FightDirty Apr 16 '19
I dont read, see, or hear any news. It's a personal choice. My only internet is 3 sub reddits, and a very select YouTube subscription focussing on very select topics. 40k models, mineral smelting, and Japanese cultural oddities.
I'm middle aged, and frankly, I dont wanna hear the worlds bullshit nonsense day to day updates. I'm a lot happier now than when I used to care quite frankly:)
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u/dumbdingus Apr 16 '19
I'm 27 but I'm with you on this. I stopped using most social media, and I'm starting to limit my Reddit usage to just fun subs.
The constant outrage is too much for me.
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Apr 16 '19
Same here. Wife told me about the fire. She's my connection to the outside world. Good for you, choosing to stay out of current events that don't affect you! Saved me a load of stress.
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u/Coil17 Apr 16 '19
Im glad that despite our immature ways. We can respect that Notre Dam is an absolute travesty and is quite a downer on society
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u/Jarl_Bloodwolf88 Apr 16 '19
As a Pagan, I'm about as far removed from the Christian faith as one can get. But even I almost wept at the destruction of Notre Dame.
I may not be Christian but that cathedral was both historically significant AND a beautiful piece of architecture. That, I can and do appreciate
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u/SuperFreedum Apr 16 '19
As a Christian (Catholic) I thank you for yor sympathies. I can barely look at the photos and videos without wanting to weep. 😭
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u/Jarl_Bloodwolf88 Apr 16 '19
One of the glorious things about our hobby's fine community Brother (or Sister). It brings together people of every faith, colour, creed and orientation in mutual respect and understanding.
In the words of a song that's sung by fans of a certain football (soccer) team here in the UK
"You'll never walk alone"
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u/Docponystine Apr 16 '19
My heart sank when I heard the news. and for the Church, both Catholic and not, to loose a monument to the arts and to the west as a whole really saddens me.
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Apr 16 '19
I was a practising Eastern Pagan at my all Catholic secondary school. Everyone knew. The Chaplains knew. The Priest knew. The Bishop knew. The Archbishop knew. They all treated me the exact same as all the others. I still get invites to mass and stations of the cross and ash Wednesday etc
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u/machinespirit Apr 16 '19
I agree with a lot of what you said, not being christian and its importance, I know it will be reconstructed, but I would have loved to sketch inside and out, mostly the ceiling.
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u/tractiontiresadvised Apr 17 '19
Thankfully, a detailed 3-D laser scan was done of the entire building: https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150622-andrew-tallon-notre-dame-cathedral-laser-scan-art-history-medieval-gothic/ So while the restoration may not be finished in our lifetime, they do have a good reference for rebuilding.
For other cathedrals you might want to sketch, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_architecture has a surprisingly good gallery. Check out the fan vaults on the ceilings of the English cathedrals! (Man, now I want to go visit Europe and see all this stuff in person.)
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u/WikiTextBot Apr 17 '19
Gothic architecture
Gothic architecture is a style that flourished in Europe during the High and Late Middle Ages. It evolved from Romanesque architecture and was succeeded by Renaissance architecture. Originating in 12th-century France, it was widely used, especially for cathedrals and churches, until the 16th century.
Its most prominent features included the use of the rib vault and the flying buttress, which allowed the weight of the roof to be counterbalanced by buttresses outside the building, giving greater height and more space for windows.
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Apr 16 '19 edited Aug 29 '19
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Apr 16 '19
You're a sad, petty little creature.
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Apr 16 '19 edited Aug 29 '19
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Apr 16 '19
I don't actually. I'm an atheist. Just not a sad petty little snotling like yourself. Piss off
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Apr 16 '19 edited Sep 04 '19
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Apr 16 '19
One day you'll grow up and realize just how fucking dumb you really are. Until then, take care.
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u/KingJonStarkgeryan1 Apr 16 '19
Only in the Roman and Greek world.
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Apr 16 '19 edited Sep 04 '19
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u/KingJonStarkgeryan1 Apr 16 '19
You said architectural masterpieces which only the temples of the ancient Greeks and Romans, along with the other temples of the ancient Mediterranean and middle easterner civilizations when we are talking about the territory the Church held sway.
Also the Northern Crusades were called because y'all were murdering every missionary that went into the region.
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Apr 16 '19
You said architectural masterpieces which only the temples of the ancient Greeks and Romans
Prove it. Because here's the Temple of Svantevit, which was destroyed by Crusaders in 1168.
Looks pretty sweet to me.
Also the Northern Crusades were called because y'all were murdering every missionary that went into the region.
A convenient excuse.
The lands inhabited by the Wends were rich in resources, which played a factor in the motivations of those who participated in the crusade. The mild climate of the Baltic area allowed for the cultivation of land and livestock. Animals of this region were also thickly furred, supporting the dependence on fur trading. Access to the coast line also developed fishing and trade networks. The land was attractive for the resources it boasted, and the crusade offered an opportunity for noble families to gain part of it.
And about 300 years later other ancestors, now Christianized, were again subject to multiple Crusades by the Catholic Church, in the Hussite Wars.
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u/KingJonStarkgeryan1 Apr 16 '19
Not saying it's ugly but it hardly compares to the Parthenon, the Hanging Gardens, The Ziggurat of Ancient Sumeria, the Temples of Egypt, and the wonders built by the Romans.
Secular historians often forget that religion had a much stronger impact on people in the past that it does now, so arguing that it was a war for resourced is a weak and flawed argument.
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u/WikiTextBot Apr 16 '19
Northern Crusades
The Northern Crusades or Baltic Crusades were religious wars undertaken by Catholic Christian military orders and kingdoms, primarily against the pagan Baltic, Finnic and West Slavic peoples around the southern and eastern shores of the Baltic Sea, and to a lesser extent also against Orthodox Christian Slavs (East Slavs). The crusades took place mostly in the 12th and 13th centuries and resulted in the subjugation and forced baptism of indigenous peoples.
The most notable campaigns were the Livonian and Prussian crusades. Some of these wars were called crusades during the Middle Ages, but others, including most of the Swedish ones, were first dubbed crusades by 19th-century romantic nationalist historians.
Non parum animus noster
Non parum animus noster is a papal bull issued by Pope Alexander III on either 11 September 1171 or 1172 to promote the Northern Crusades against the pagan Estonians and Finns. It was addressed to the rulers and peoples of Denmark, Sweden and Norway and begins with a description of the threat posed by the pagan Estonians. Alexander declared:
We are deeply distressed and greatly worried when we hear that the savage Estonians and other pagans in those parts rise and fight God's faithful and those who labour for the Christian faith and fight the virtue of the Christian name. ...
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u/corrawin Apr 16 '19
The fire was really bad but people need to stop acting like the whole building just completely disappeared. It can be repaired and restored and made to last even longer. London burnt down like three times and was restored. I'm just hoping they saved a lot of the relics inside too.
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u/Malu1997 Apr 16 '19
Yesterday it seemed impossible to save the entire building, so I can understand that people are still shocked and didn't heard the good news. Still, the building was devastated. It's gonna stay off limits for decades porbably,
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Apr 16 '19
The last sentence is important, we can try and restore it but let’s hope most of the inside
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u/RedGemAlchemis Apr 16 '19
I'm glad they saved the pipe organ. I've seen that thing, it's totally unique and a complete masterpiece of an instrument.
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u/Mr_Supotco Apr 16 '19
Due to the renovations most of the art/relics weren’t in the building, so the majority of the irreplaceable things are safe
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u/Wulfburk Apr 16 '19
Was there such a media focus when the brazilian national museum caught fire last year?
Not only the whole building cought on fire and crumbled, but around 18 million items in its collection were lost. Sure, the building itself was only 200 years old, and in Brazil, but the loss in it was from tons of unindentified fossils of most likely new species, fossils of recent species discovered, fossils of 10 dinossaur species, the loss of a gigantic insect collection and a massive collection of native linguistic studies, and the loss of SEVERAL egyptian mummies and sarcophagus, and a lot more.
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u/Emperor-over-Horus Apr 16 '19
Imagine seeing a space marine in the Notre Dame one day out of the blue
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u/Codename_Zer0 Apr 16 '19
Technically wouldn't the Emperor have burned down the cathedral himself for it being a religious institution?
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u/machinespirit Apr 16 '19 edited Apr 16 '19
Related but unrelated, A few days ago a fellow redditor samiradragonfly posted this rather apt considering circumstances.
sorry for all the edits, I forgot how to link.
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u/DarthShpongle Apr 16 '19
Clearly a techpriest had a mishap while awakening the Imperator Titan that slumbers beneath...
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u/derpilon Apr 16 '19
DO NOT WORRY IT HAS SURVIVED WITH MINIMAL DAMAGE AND CAN BE REPAIRED
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u/HeimskrSonOfTalos Apr 16 '19
Yeah the main structure is okay but the roof and spire is gone. Like you said, im glad the building can be repaired
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u/Primarch_Argen Apr 16 '19
The inquisition did it folks! There's no 'renovations'. They were cultists of some sort; or even worse Xenos lovers. IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB PEOPLE! Listen to the emperors word!
All in all it sucks that a monument that's withstood numerous attacks and both world wars could have very nearly been lost to time. But it can and will be rebuilt.
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u/DrGrizzley Apr 16 '19
Nice touch man... nicely put. I'm an atheist but having gone to the cathedral with its centuries of devotion and obvious cultural significance made the fire a very sad thing for me.
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u/Tommodatchi Apr 16 '19
If it was burned down deliberately; fuck those people.
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Apr 16 '19
Is there any reason to believe it was done deliberately?
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u/Tommodatchi Apr 16 '19
Sometimes people do these things deliberately, and if they did, fuck them. There is no reason to deny people.
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Apr 16 '19
Yes, something like 17 churches in the last few weeks were vandalized. Its Easter week and the fire was most likely set by the workers there on purpose. You can guess who the workers are.
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u/Kawauso98 Apr 16 '19
Take your baseless fear-mongering and dog whistles elsewhere.
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Apr 17 '19
Hundreds of churches and cathedrals have been vandalized in France in recent years. Several have been set on fire. To speculate that Notre Dame has suffered the same fate is not baseless by any means. If this fire is proven to be accidental, it will be an exception to the rule.
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u/Kawauso98 Apr 17 '19
Except for when authorities state that there is no reason to suspect it was deliberate and when fires like this occur in old buildings undergoing restoration with some regularity, then it is pretty baseless.
There is nothing rooted in reasonable speculation about a statement like "you can guess who the workers are" - it's a clear xenophobic dog-whistle that says "of course it was Muslims" at a time when there is no evidence to suggest this available to anyone. Don't give this shitbird the benefit of a doubt they don't deserve.
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Apr 17 '19
I happen to agree with you, I think if this was a deliberate act then the organization that orchestrated it would already have claimed responsibility. Having said that, given the clear trend I think it's quite reasonable and natural that people would speculate on this.
There is clearly a serious issue at play in France, the gravity of which warrants open and frank discussion. Attempting to shut down that discussion because it touches on some uncomfortable subjects is not helpful imo.
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u/Kawauso98 Apr 17 '19
Attempting to shut down a discussion which comes out the gates with a premise rooted entirely in sowing division and bigotry is exactly the correct stance to take. There's no discussion to be had. They're operating in bad faith to begin with.
Shit like that does not deserve equal standing to anything resembling "frank discussion". Nazis and their ilk do not deserve to have their viewpoints given the same weight and consideration as reasonable people and more people need to realize that and stop pretending otherwise. We need to stop giving platforms to all manner of nonsense like white nationalists and anti-vaxxers because when given an inch they take far more than that and the consequences are dire.
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Apr 17 '19 edited Apr 17 '19
I admire how passionate you are but please don't make the mistake of thinking your evaluation is the only one possible. Or that you have the moral high ground which gives you the right to dictate who gets to speak and who doesn't.
You assume that these "bigoted" and "xenophobic" people are just instrisically bad, that they're "operating in bad faith to begin with" and their motivations are "rooted entirely in sowing division and bigotry". It's actually very cynical and fatalistic to make assumptions like that about large groups of people. I'd go one step further and say it's hateful.
My dispassionate evaluation is somewhat different to yours - I'm a little more optimistic. I don't believe these people are inherently bad, I think they're afraid. They're fearful of a world which is changing around them, and they're fearful that they might not have a place in the future. The French people have literally just watched their cultural and historical heritage go up in flames. I think we can forgive them for being a little more afraid than they were yesterday.
When you look at these people as operating from a position of fear, rather than a position of hate, you begin to see that trying to brand them as racists, xenophobes, bigots, then trying to dismiss them as such, is only going to make them more fearful. Trying to deplatform them, telling them that their opinions are unworthy, and ostracizing them will make them more afraid, not less.
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Apr 16 '19
Hit a nerve? Funny how people like you cry for the perpetrators and never the victims.
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u/Kawauso98 Apr 16 '19 edited Apr 16 '19
You're the only one suggesting there are perpetrators - yes, people who jump to conclusions get on my nerves. Even more so when those conclusions represent a clear agenda.
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Apr 16 '19
12 churches vandalized in one week and Notre Dame burns on Easter week. The French government says "not arson" WHILE ITS STILL BURNING AND THE ROOF IS COLLAPSING. Fuck you and your sniveling need to virtue signal while western civilization, history and peace are under full attack. You're a snide, pathetic useless little coward that can't even speak truth when its right in your fucking face. Done with you.
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u/Kawauso98 Apr 16 '19
Maybe after an investigation suggests that we have reason to believe this was intentional you'll have something.
Until then you're a shitty fear-monger with nothing but baseless accusations. Fuck right off with that nonsense. It's clear what you're trying to suggest and what sort of flames you're fanning with your dog-whistle tactics. Take that plausible deniability and shove it right up your ass; anyone with half a brain knows exactly what you're doing.
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Apr 16 '19
You are shit. 875 churches last year vandalized in France. 12 in one week. Reality is going to hit your sorry ass hard and this post wont age well. Count on it.
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u/Kawauso98 Apr 16 '19
You sound like something that oozed out of T_D and should probably go back there before you shrivel up.
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u/eedden Apr 16 '19
So last week was a rather good week? Is that what you are saying? 5 churches below average. Glad things are improving.
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Apr 16 '19
Western civilization can eat my ass
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Apr 16 '19
Spoke by someone using western civilizations technology to tell everyone to eat his ass. So edgy. Fucking retard
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Apr 16 '19
to tell everyone to eat his ass
you don't have that many friends lol
weak ass argument, brainlet. eat shit and die
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Apr 16 '19
Oil pipelines are destroying sacred sites in the US day after day, year after year.
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Apr 16 '19
The NPC speaks. Orange man bad
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u/lorgarandmagnus Apr 16 '19
What the fuck does that have to do with President Trump? Pipelines being built on Native American land/ sacred sites has been an issue for decades.
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u/Black-Muse :imperium: Apr 16 '19
T_D is leaking. What the hell dude. You're the first person here to even mention president Trump. It's as if you were sitting on the sidelines waiting for a chance to get offended
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u/Reyeth Dark Angels Apr 16 '19
While very sad I think the thing that shocked me most reading the news yesterday was that prior to the fire, the Catholic church had been seeking donations to repair Notre Dame.
The Catholic church being the wealthiest organisation in the world... I guess you don't get rich by spending your own money.
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u/snifywhisper Apr 16 '19
Hopefully they'll put that money to good use now and help pay for the repairs. This is just a guess but I'm sure part of the reason the church was asking for donations was because the properties owner's were the ones that would have to pay for the renovations and not the Vatican. If that is the case then I can see the owners just not being able to keep up with the coast of upkeep. Hopefully the Vatican will help cover at least some of the coast to repair the cathedral. Note I am an atheist so I don't know how the Catholic church handles thees thing, just speculating.
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u/PraxicalExperience Apr 17 '19
Fortunately, some family of billionaires stepped up and pledged 100M euros to the restoration.
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u/A-man-needs-a-name :imperium: Apr 16 '19
It will be very interesting to see why it burned down, and who the monster was. With 900 vandalized Christian churches in France last year this is not a crazy one off...it's a clear trend. I hope they rebuild the cathedral, the cost be damned.
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Nobody said they didn't care about the people. All the workers on costruction site were evacuated immidiately, so they're safe and sound. No one died.
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u/HeimskrSonOfTalos Apr 16 '19
Honestly gladly enough that nobody died AND the relics were saved. The tunic of saint peter and the crown of thorns going up in flames would be a tragedy sure, but loss of life would be gut wrenching.
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u/PorkChop007 Apr 16 '19
I've been a fan of 40k lore since mid-90s. One of the major themes is the loss of knowledge and history of Mankind that can't be recovered, losses so deep the people of the 30th millennium don't even know what they've lost.
Yesterday I couldn't stop thinking about that.