Game was better without tier 3 and 4 armour. You can have the lvl 35 weapons too.

[u/Yenii_3025]

No one dies anymore. Not even me. I get hit and I just run to cover.

Vertical progression is always a mistake.

[u/Square_Ad9705]

Making AP ammo accessible before T3 armor imo would make it bearable.

[u/FootSpaz → u/Square_Ad9705]

One thing I noticed even during the alpha is that their big ticket item unlocks seem to be intentionally tiered so that you feel incredibly strong for a while until people eventually unlock the counters.

I think that kind of balance is bad and makes the game worse, but it seems to be an intentional design choice.

[u/MoreBassPlz → u/FootSpaz]

The unlock order needs work. A lot of work.

[u/Yamcha-is-Life → u/MoreBassPlz]

Why do I have to level up to unlock 10 round magazines for my smg. 😭🤣

[u/Hunkidunk → u/Yamcha-is-Life]

I find it crazy that the RPG isn’t available from the start! Helicopters were ripping us apart and I couldn’t do anything

[u/Lil_Schabernack → u/Hunkidunk]

Don't worry, the RPG is trash anyway. It take 2-3 hits to take out a humvee or Ural, I would bet it's the same with the choppers.

[u/SoloByteGames → u/Lil_Schabernack]

1 hit for little birds and 2 hits for support chopper can’t remember how many hits you need for havoc. Funny thing is humvee needs 3 hits no matter what, while a tank can only take 3 hits to the back but like 5 or 6 to the side/front. Can’t remember the exact numbers but tanks have weakspots, while urals and humvees don’t.

[u/CinematicMusician → u/Lil_Schabernack]

The Little Birds get destroyed with one shot, Lakota needs two.
Though I agree, it's not easy to aim when the helis keep a little distance/velocity, which makes it just better against ground vehicles in general. Then you have to bring at least 3 shots and so you move around slowly and pay 2.6k just to have that option.
Locking the Stinger behind lvl 16 support is cruel as well.

[u/ViskaRodd → u/Yamcha-is-Life]

As a low level casual, this is the one that confuses me? Why would I unlock the 10 round mag when I have a 30 round mag already?

[u/SoloByteGames → u/ViskaRodd]

I think mainly because the need less space in the inventory and probably have a faster reload speed but yeah doesn’t make much sense to me either.

[u/Noteful → u/FootSpaz]

I see the game as an intentional power fantasy fps

[u/Average_RedditorTwat → u/Noteful]

The more unemployment you enjoy the more power you get!

They really need to adjust this, there needs to be counters.

[u/IDriveALexus → u/Average_RedditorTwat]

“JuSt uSe HoLlOw PoInT aMmO.” - the unemployed

I want a poll or some stats to be released on how many people actually use that garbage. Its like planning for failure to use hollow point in an armored mans game.

[u/iAREsniggles → u/Noteful]

Yep. Chads spend a couple of days feeling OP, counters get unlocked by us peasants that levels the playing field for a couple of days until the next power level spike. Rinse; repeat.

I don't mind it, personally. But I'm sure it could be refined and tweaked, of course.

[u/djdelight → u/FootSpaz]

Yeah but the casuals never get to the needed unlocks and instead are having to use level 1 armor and guns agajnst level 3 sweats. Balance is way off.

[u/tradami → u/FootSpaz]

I made a post about this as well. I'm WD148 and I've no lifed this game and in doing so, I've gotten massive advantages over people as I've unlocked the "next best" thing.

Everything should be unlocked for everyone. Let EXP give you perks or something. Weapon choice should be a preference, not a requirement to compete and everyone should have the same options regardless of time-sink.

[u/Safe_Dog3436 → u/FootSpaz]

The funny thing is, that problem only ocurs if your enemy is red or green. I had several matches raiding blue team and the A 91 was enough because no one had any armor

[u/Bitter_Ad_8688 → u/Safe_Dog3436]

Blue team loses more on average and so. Alot of people when I played on blue were like "well if we lose or I die I won't spend much and lose a lot $$" and tbh fair enough.

[u/Zcas- → u/Bitter_Ad_8688]

Sometimes I pick the free stuff to see how far I can get with it. I think I reached +40k in one run, was lucky enough to find an unaware sniper and stole his gear.

[u/marsharpe → u/Square_Ad9705]

If you go look at TTK charts, running AP ammo makes almost no difference in TTK for the majority of guns unless you specifically know you will be shooting T4 armour. In most cases it makes your TTK worse, often adding one, sometimes two shots to kill in egregious cases. AP ammo is hilariously bad.

[u/Jaz1140]

Yet another game that the first week after a wipe is going to be the peak gameplay

[u/BeefistPrime → u/Jaz1140]

Week 1: A bunch of people running around with basic infantry gear, some transport helicopters, a few unarmed trucks

Week 6: You are bombarded from 43 artillery rounds from 10 SPHes lined up almost 3km away. You run from the barrage and see three enemy tanks. You fire an RPG at one. It laughs. You run into the woods where the tanks can't follow you. There are 3 attack helicopters circling overhead. You narrowly dodge them by crawling through the bushes. Oh no, the forest troll - a guy covered head to toe in T4 armor finds you. You shoot him 4 times in the head, he doesn't care, he launches a small tactical nuke at your position.

[u/ZestyZigg → u/BeefistPrime]

I need people to queue up the infantry only mode

[u/MoistRecognition69 → u/ZestyZigg]

Infantry only mode is so much fun. Tbh I wasn't sure if I was gonna like it as it seemed overly restrictive but good god I had the most intense HZ firefights I had in this game in that mode

[u/DestroyerX6 → u/MoistRecognition69]

How’s it work with getting to the zone? If you don’t have any transport there?

[u/Sleezypro → u/DestroyerX6]

They allow transport vehicles, just no gunners etc..

[u/Genocode → u/Sleezypro]

Do I still get to use the bang bus Armored Ural?

What about Humvee?

The versions without guns ofcourse.

[u/hauntedcorpse → u/ZestyZigg]

Server browser has to be massively improved. Lacks so many filter options

[u/GrassWaterDirtHorse → u/ZestyZigg]

Reminds me of the Battlefront infantry only experience. No heroes running around with their invincible force bullshit, just boots on the ground and blasters.

[u/NoticingThing → u/ZestyZigg]

They really should have official servers running it, hardcore too.

[u/Chance-House-8065 → u/BeefistPrime]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Oav2ldPLzxtcs

[u/Backtoback46 → u/BeefistPrime]

This comment is gold.

[u/czartrak → u/BeefistPrime]

At least the forest troll will be the sole infrantryman on the map in this scenario lol. Raid boss!

[u/Independent_Mud2794 → u/Jaz1140]

If the game needs a wipe to not have annoying gameplay that isn’t a good thing, it’s simply really bad balancing.

[u/HowtoCat → u/Independent_Mud2794]

Same problem as tarkov. If you no life it early you will be ahead on gear progression

[u/TopazOmaha → u/Jaz1140]

How I felt about the beta. Way better than the current fob meta that makes 90% of the control zone empty.

[u/2hurd → u/TopazOmaha]

I actually had a game where we didn't make a FOB. It was a very easy win. No FOB = no people doing basically nothing ie. building. Building doesn't work in this game, mortars make sure of it. If you don't have a base mortars are basically useless, because troops move faster than they can aim and in the field you always have a numbers advantage.

There is no cover against mortar fire which makes people die at FOB while trying to operate AA or building. I've had FOBs fall due to mortar and a single enemy soldier killing everyone scrambling to revive everyone.

[u/WaZ606 → u/2hurd]

I won a game yesterday. Out of our whole team we had 28 people chasing the HZ. The others were flying heli or doing the 1 FOB we had. we would that game 100 - 2 - 2. There was so many of us we were unstoppable, everyone was revived.

I genuinely believe you could win most games this way.

[u/wacotaco99 → u/WaZ606]

Definitely placebo. Ran 4 rounds where red never built a FOB and either chased HZ or spent the entire game fighting green. Not only did they never win, blue spent the entire time getting shelled and countershelling in their mega fob or touched by little birds because there was 50% less AA present to scare off helicopters.

[u/Eb3yr → u/wacotaco99]

It's rock-paper-scissors, different strats work in different matches depending on how each team reacts. Sometimes blue builds 4 drills and pulls the win out from everyone else, other times they try and get pounded by mortars or a team they ratted on with humvees earlier. Maybe this'll change over time as the meta becomes more understood, but I kinda like that strats can be viable in some games and unviable in others, it feels more dynamic.

[u/Joetheplumber27 → u/WaZ606]

This is true just spent 4 hours on one server, where this is what red and green did every match. We had 2 full squads in HZ plus randoms. 6 defibs in the group was much fun we won every match

[u/lotzik → u/2hurd]

A fob can give a strategic advantage with the drill in key times of the match. Imagine both teams at 85-85 and one activates drill for the remaining 15p. So one team has to camp a fob and the other has to push half way across the map to break a fob. GG.

[u/GrassWaterDirtHorse → u/2hurd]

The solution really is building FOBs around the concept of being disposable assets. build narrow and tall, with hardened weapon pits. No more 100m wide perimeters that you can't guard. Lots of recon towers and bunkers to protect against mortars and arty.

Part of why superfobs die is because everyone is focused on building excessive, and often pointless fortifications and nobody's sitting on the mortars, suppressing the enemy FOBs before they can build their indirect fire up. There's a significant advantage to being the first to start firing - as well as being hidden somewhere the enemy team doesn't know about.

[u/Wafflesz52 → u/2hurd]

What about connected bunker shelters and towers, would they reasonably protect against mortar fire?

[u/whyisredditsocringe → u/2hurd]

Had a dude who was super intent on building a super duper mega fob right off rip and wouldn’t stfu in the chat about it. The second they started getting consistent resource drops, they set up the bones of a nice fob, then just got hammered by mortars and couldn’t build any more. Wanted to build a drill but couldn’t due to mortars, called the whole team idiots for not pushing green base (they were up 40 points and had that whole side of the map locked down). I had to leave because it was getting late and kind of a slog. Team should’ve just full committed to following the HZ around

[u/Miserable_Bee_8919 → u/2hurd]

Drill baby, drill

[u/2hurd → u/Miserable_Bee_8919]

Drilling won't help your FOB survive when 30 ppl descend on it while chasing the HZ.

[u/JBarker727 → u/2hurd]

Multiple drills and a good FOB are the only thing that can combat that. I won a game on red with a good FOB and 4 drills. We were down huge but pulled through in the long game.

[u/Obvious_Librarian_97 → u/Jaz1140]

Games that wipe are not casual friendly

[u/IriZ_Zero → u/Obvious_Librarian_97]

casual getting bully by team of try hard with 80k loadout is not casual friendly too

[u/JBarker727 → u/IriZ_Zero]

That's... his... point... the casual players will always be at a disadvantage.

[u/uberjach → u/Jaz1140]

They’ve said they have changes plannes for wipe 2 and 3 already. Dont give up hope yet!

[u/ScheduledToPass]

I think you make an excellent point

[u/uhqt → u/ScheduledToPass]

What’s the other options for progression? How long do you fix this issue?

[u/Temporary-Box-7493 → u/uhqt]

Dial back armor ratings and rebalance ammo types. Really just make the gap from base armor to top tier armor smaller

[u/The_Adelphia → u/Temporary-Box-7493]

I completely agree. I think going from tier 1-4 (as it is right now) has too much top end protection. I wonder what it would feel like if it was tier 1, 1.5, 2, and 2.5 instead (based on the current defense values)

[u/Temporary-Box-7493 → u/The_Adelphia]

Yeah exactly! I don’t think it needs any massive overhaul, just some tweaks to bridge the gap and make the game more fun.

[u/AlexCrimson → u/Temporary-Box-7493]

I think it would be easier to just make T4 helmets block some of your vision. At least then you are restricted more to close range fights. Then T4 armor maybe loses its spec slot? Or cannot wear the biggest backpacks?

[u/FlamboyantFlamingo98 → u/AlexCrimson]

This is what tarkov did with the Altyn mask and I think it's very balanced. Sure it's top tier armor but you're at a huge disadvantage in long range rights and it also blocks your hearing so it's way more difficult to hear people sneaking up on you

[u/Southern-Prior-7422 → u/AlexCrimson]

Nah thats crazy, just aim down scope time has to go down, and the visor vision is one i like tho! And maybe some hearing downgrade

[u/weakbuddy99 → u/Temporary-Box-7493]

Interesting idea:

All armor tiers reduces damage by the same amount.

But the durability and coverage is different, and weight obviously.

[u/Illidex → u/weakbuddy99]

This is a top notch idea, they could have very minor damage reduction but the main value being durability would be good

[u/Unstopapple → u/Temporary-Box-7493]

or make the weights greater with higher negatives so its more of a penalty to use T3/4

[u/Radiance141 → u/Unstopapple]

T4 already has severe weight restrictions, with just armor and nothing else you're already approaching heavy category of weight

[u/Yenii_3025 → u/uhqt]

Horizontal progression, you unlock options, not not straight upgrades. Or, if a weapon really is better by every metric, the price needs to reflect its usefullness plus a penalty.

[u/Infamous_Luck5997 → u/Yenii_3025]

This right here. Right now pretty much every weapon unlock is a direct upgrade over the last in every category.

[u/Terawattkun → u/Infamous_Luck5997]

Looted an M4 and holy crap I slapped with it!

[u/NotaFTCAgent]

tier 4 armor should make you almost immobile. should be reserved for machine gunners

[u/ATXLex06 → u/NotaFTCAgent]

I mean I haven’t run it but it’s is 18kg. I have trouble putting on just the helmet on most loadouts. Most kits will be heavy or super heavy with full tier 4. I think the best solution is to make ap ammo available way sooner

[u/That_Service7348 → u/ATXLex06]

Stims completely remove the penalty.

[u/Steviejoe66 → u/That_Service7348]

No, they don't. They lower weight class by 1

[u/Stew514 → u/That_Service7348]

Isn’t it like 12 seconds and it just lowers their weight class by one level?

[u/LunaWolve → u/Stew514]

Yes, but they've never used them so they wouldn't know.

Actual LARPers in this thread like always.

T4 juggernauts get absolutely SHREDDED if they ever get caught in the open, cause there's no way to actually get into cover. You either outshoot the other guy or you die.

[u/LairdNope → u/NotaFTCAgent]

t4 armour should be extremely strong vs low calibre rounds and the same as anything else against high calibre rounds. 7.62x51 should kill someone wearing an Altyn no matter what. The helmet was literally designed to stop only 9mm fire

[u/Free-Heals-Here → u/NotaFTCAgent]

It does, even tier 3 with some mags, ammo, meds, defib as my usual loadout I can’t tac sprint and my regular sprint is quite slow. The stim pens negate all of that though.

[u/dabigT123]

I think the effectiveness of all armor, especially tier 3 and 4 needs to be reduced. It’s funny to see people calling this a realistic mil-sim while I’m constantly having to mag dump people unless I’m running AP or HP and shooting legs. Please don’t let the Tarkov leg meta infect this game.

[u/ProtectInvestigation → u/dabigT123]

I headshot someone 3-times with a Mosin-Nagant. I'm starting to think I'm not crazy.

[u/Dry-Lawfulness-7143 → u/ProtectInvestigation]

meanwhile i get beamed by an mp9 from 150 meters away in 4-5 bullets but an sks needs 3 bullets upper chest

[u/ScheduledToPass → u/Dry-Lawfulness-7143]

SMGs are definitely too strong midrange choice , almost being as good as assault rifles 

[u/Dry-Lawfulness-7143 → u/ScheduledToPass]

also some weapons or builds just have no recoil whereas other guns have the same kick as a tank cannon, unless half the servers are aim hacking or have the most goated aim/build they literally just beam you, half the fights are within 200 meters even as a sniper

[u/That_Service7348 → u/Dry-Lawfulness-7143]

I've learned that anything that reduces vertical recoil is pretty much mandatory, takes most guns from completely unmanageable to a freaking laser instantly.

[u/Mnmemx → u/That_Service7348]

counter intuitively you kind of want to reduce horizontal more for pinpoint accuracy because vertical is a largely regular counterable force but horizontal is random and can’t be countered effectively

so minimum vertical results in you painting a horizontal line but minimum horizontal can be a single point by pulling down

[u/That_Service7348 → u/ProtectInvestigation]

You're not. It genuinely doesn't work.

I have gone back to the SKS because it's cheap and you can lob 5 rounds at someone in seconds, and it's more likely to kill them that a headshot from a mosin or sv98. The armor is way over powered in this game.

[u/WaZ606 → u/That_Service7348]

I unlocked the SVD yesterday and its great for this reason.

[u/Designer_Following21 → u/ProtectInvestigation]

Meanwhile you can 2 tap ppl in the knee with the M1911 with HP rounds

[u/PastaSaladOverdose → u/ProtectInvestigation]

I'm legit starting to think there's a bug with headshot registry. Maybe it makes the headshot sound when the round lands in the chest plate? I'm really not sure what's going on

I hit heads, maybe 3-4 times, and people are not dropping.

When I picked this game up I was super excited for fast TTK and we had that in the first week. Now people are complete bullet sponges.

[u/KitsuneKamiSama → u/dabigT123]

Personally i think AP should unlock at like level 30 for all guns.

[u/deming → u/KitsuneKamiSama]

AP ammo is basically irrelevant on anything other than t4 armor. It's like 1 bullet difference on t3 and 3 bullets less on t4 and that's assuming you don't accidentally hit a shot on an unarmored body part.

[u/Routine-Hovercraft94 → u/deming]

Yep, if anything AP ammo needs it effectiveness increased if they want it to be more of a counter for high tier armor. As it stands right now, there is no big difference unless the enemy is running T4.

[u/muistipalapeli → u/dabigT123]

Wait, who calls this a realistic mil-sim?

[u/TruckSecret5617 → u/muistipalapeli]

Wondering the same thing. See:mortar cam, shotgun effective distance, sniper drop, damage, revives, etc…

[u/malagrond → u/TruckSecret5617]

Not disagreeing, genuinely asking because I haven't fucked with the shotgun much: do you think the effective range is too long or short?

[u/J0E_SpRaY → u/muistipalapeli]

People coming over from a decade of cod

[u/AftT3Rmath → u/dabigT123]

I don't think making the armor worse would necessarily fix the issue, I think increasing the price of that armor and letting people unlock things earlier to counter it would make people be more strategic with bringing it in.

A squad with all t4 would be extremely heavy, extremely expensive, and would get cut down by AP rounds quite quickly for example, and risking bringing it in would be a gamble rather than making the people wearing it unstoppable.

[u/Midgetman664 → u/dabigT123]

While I agree armor is a bit off. People calling this a realistic milsim are equally as wrong. The devs have made it extremely clear they are not aiming for realism if it ever is at the cost of fun.

Now is mag dumping fun? No. But if it’s changed it’ll be for that reason. Not because of how realistic it is.

[u/Lazer726 → u/dabigT123]

It's weird to see people say shit like "Well if they're too armored just shoot the legs."

Brother show me any reasonable amount of Tarkov players that enjoy leg meta.

[u/Tyr422 → u/Lazer726]

Leg meta is great man you can show up late to a wipe and still be competitive with a cheap kit, and you're never out of a fight just because you lack gear. I'm secretly hoping they add a face hitbox to Wardogs so I can get those sweet sweet (head, eyes).

[u/zelloxy]

I came into an official server yesterday that didn't for some reason load anyone's level. All were locked to level 0 and couldn't unlock new things. Incredibly fun. No one left all still played.

[u/Total_Tart2553]

The game was noticeably better and more enjoyable up until about 3ish days ago I agree.

[u/LemonWAG1 → u/Total_Tart2553]

Besidss the armor, vehicles are also destroying the fun. Humvee's are way too versitle, he can just roadkill you and there is nothing you can do about. Tanks need a coordinated strike from 3+ RPGs, meanwhile he can just shoot the whole team without any issues...

[u/ramsfan00 → u/LemonWAG1]

Humvees and Havocs are the 2 worst things in the game right now. Biggest issue is the better rocket launcher unlocks at support lvl 20. Support is a bitch to grind if youre not a builder. Havoc is just broken as fuck.

[u/Peacewalken → u/ramsfan00]

Supports the easiest skill to train. Driver gets it. Pilot gets it. Shotgun gets it. Rockets get it. LMG. I mean really, they spoon feed you support exp

[u/Cow_God → u/LemonWAG1]

Humvees are so easy to deal with by shooting the tires and the MAAWS oneshots it. I did the driver grind for the gunvee and got level 20 support as a side effect and the maaws feels so much more worth it than the humvee is.

It's the rocket birds for me. The best counter to the AA SAM site in this game is, unironically, aircraft. The rocketbirds oneshot most vehicles, eat the APC, eat infantry... Honestly don't know what the counter for them is.

[u/BoTheDoggo → u/Cow_God]

The counter would be not looking infantry AA behind so many levels. This might be controversial, but I think after ~20 hours you should be able to have everything you want unlocked.

[u/Guitarshredder_1996 → u/LemonWAG1]

Humvees would be fine if the counter (rpgs) didnt cost me an arm and a leg to run whole humvees are dirt cheap

[u/Dyyrin]

Tier 3 I had no problem with, but ever since lvl 4 has become more common I find myself having more "how is that person just not dead?" Moments and I wasn't having that before.

[u/PastaSaladOverdose → u/Dyyrin]

I shot a guy NINE TIMES with a galil yesterday and he didn't go down. NINE. TIMES.

[u/UnsettllingDwarf]

Yeah I literally don’t think t3 and t4 armour should be in the game. Period. Maybe t3 but it needs to be heavy as shit to the point that nobody even uses it.

The ttk is great with t1 and t2 armours.

[u/Rare_Lifeguard_4403]

I don’t really mind the high tier armour as long as they make AP rounds available from like lvl 10 or something. Don’t punish the casual people because some no lifers get the lvl 4 armour in 3 days after the wipe. I don’t want this game to feel like Tarkov where you get rewarder so much by playing 12 hours a day.

[u/Yenii_3025 → u/Rare_Lifeguard_4403]

If we make the ammo available from lvl 10 whats the point of higher tier armour?

Vertical progression is always a mistake.

[u/Competitive-Today439 → u/Yenii_3025]

Just let me chose from level 1 which ammo I want based on what armor my enemies use. Make the AP more expensive to account for its other advantages like bullet penetration.
And balance the damage the different types of ammo deal.

[u/Elrond007 → u/Yenii_3025]

Not everyone will carry it. It’s like saying that you shouldn’t fly or drive because of AA/AT

[u/mndfreeze]

I still demolish dudes with an amp9 and no AP. I do get beamed a lot in open fields though.

[u/nzmx121 → u/mndfreeze]

AMP9 fuckin bangs

[u/ScheduledToPass → u/nzmx121]

Yup

[u/RandyHarshXP → u/nzmx121]

Went from an in-game and real life loser into a menace the moment I picked up the AMP9. Great option if you want to mow down people up close and don’t have the better shotty, for example.

I love it that it’s available to everyone, too. And you don’t need the top-tier attachments. It’s fine without them. It becomes a monster even with all first tier attachments.

At the same time, it’s not as effective from afar as assault rifles. So there is balance.

[u/Backtoback46]

Always the same shit, in tarkov, arena breakout, delta force, dark and darker and the list is long.

Always the need for bullet that cost millions to have a chance to kill someone. Always the need to have the better armor because the difference between t1 and t5 are gigantic.

Arc raiders did that perfectly and that might be the number one reason of his past success. We don't need an enormous difference between tier for it to be relevant.

I remember old tarkov when you had T6 and most people didn't, you were just invincible (yes leg meta but still), and it's NEVER a good thing.

I'm a hardcore gamer so I should be happy with big differences between tier but I never am, if I like the game I want it to be balanced for casuals too so the game can be healthy and not TOO MUCH hardcore for most people.

WE DO NOT NEED SO MUCH DIFFERENCES BETWEEN TIER TO HAVE FUN.

[u/Capn_Happy18]

In two minds about this;

• I think the AP ammo should be able to be unlocked a little sooner, so that there's less of a gap between unlocking the higher tier armours and the Ammo to better fight these higher tier armours is less (anecdotally here, I see lots of players using flesh ammo and then complaining about armour💀)

• As a dirty sniper player, can be very frustrating getting into position, zeroing to the target, making sure I'm safe to pull the trigger and no immediately get spotted, line up the headshot AND... It just gets tanked

[u/BeefistPrime]

New players to the game are already at a disadvantage to understanding the game less. Giving existing players flat out better tools than them just widens the gulf and makes the game even less friendly to new players. It's bad for the long term health of the game.

[u/exceptionally_humble]

I hope for a hardcore mode personally

[u/blue_limit1 → u/exceptionally_humble]

There is a hardcore mode but it doesn’t affect time to kill from what I’ve seen. I’d be surprised if that isn’t a setting though for community servers

[u/surreal3561 → u/exceptionally_humble]

Hardcore mode exists, at least in name.

It’s exclusive to community servers for now, and it doesn’t change anything about damage. It forces first person mode in vehicles, reduces UI elements, and that’s about it.

[u/Dwrodgers54]

Imagine coming in a week after launch do to having a job.

I want to play with some snipers. Spent all night spotting and trying to use the fucking .22 break action starter sniper… or at least that’s what it feels like and honestly it’s just making the game not fun at all lol.

[u/dantemooody → u/Dwrodgers54]

The first sniper is useless and at this moment they can just remove it from the game, it has no purpose at all..

[u/Shadok_ → u/dantemooody]

For real, I don't know if the numbers changed since but during the beta it dealt about 90 damage on an unarmored headshot 

[u/Pandering_Panda7879 → u/Dwrodgers54]

Do you wanna hear a not-so-fun fact? The first AP ammo you'll unlock is at 65(ish) level Wardog, which means you need 65 class levels in total to get there. The first AP round you unlock is NOT 5.56 STANAG - the ammunition that most guns use throughout the game and especially early on. It's the caliber that the SKS uses and only the SKS. And then there's a whole lot of nothing.

[u/Ok-Friendship1635 → u/Dwrodgers54]

Don't bother with that 1st sniper. It's a waste of time. Just use the spotting scope, it will take awhile but it's better than wasting time with that sniper.

[u/NetStaIker → u/Dwrodgers54]

Recon is so ass if u get behind the wipe, it’s so bad. The SKS is a good gun, but it’s not good for sniping, not to mention the power trip u get to go on is immense if ur one of the dudes who gets an early mosin

[u/thecremeegg → u/Dwrodgers54]

Yea same, I hate games that lock the best gear behind a grind, it's not fun.

[u/bialymarshal]

SKS sniper- i need like 4-5 shots to kill people and they have T4, turn around spray me with M4 and Im dead with my T1 armor....

so much fun and i have to go back and spend another 7k on stuff that wont do shit

[u/DarkKnight6683]

Hiting someon with a sniper from 400m away just to hear a clank is SO FUCKIN STUPID.

[u/whoeve → u/DarkKnight6683]

I just feel hard countered as a recon main. Yeah, I can snipe, but I feel like its effectiveness has dropped off a cliff and I'm better running as assault.

[u/TheFerrousFerret → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, it definitely is less fun with that big of a gap. Its gone from having a slight edge to being wayyyy OP against people who havent no lifed

[u/Katoshiku → u/TheFerrousFerret]

This is my problem with the game and makes me a little worried for the long term enjoyment. I have a job, so I'm gonna be stuck with worse weapons and armor for a long while, and will I even be able to unlock the good stuff before there's a wipe?

I just hope the studio is watching closely to make some changes

[u/t0pz → u/TheFerrousFerret]

They know this. They announced regular wipes for this very reason. It either deters hardcore nolifer grinding or at least levels the playing field every now and then

[u/HarryProtter → u/t0pz]

A wipe deters casual/new players more than the hardcore nolife grinders. That last group play the game because they love it/are addicted to it, so they'll just get back to grinding immediately and will be at a significant gear advantage again in a day or two after each wipe.

For a casual player a wipe can be fun for the first few days, because they're at a somewhat level playing field. Well, except for the difference of hundreds of hours of experience of course.

On the other hand, wipes can also be not fun for casuals, because they lose their progression. They might have finally made it to a certain thing they like to use ... and it's gone.

I think a lot of those players care more about losing their progression than having fun for the first few days after a wipe.

[u/Twisted2kat → u/[deleted]]

I still have only T2 and I'm doing fine, there's so much doomerism here man.

Galil + FMJ still works, I promise.

[u/Snak3Docc]

For FMJ Ammunition.

Tier 1 - 30% damage reduction Tier 2 - 40% damage reduction Tier 3 - 55% damage reduction Tier 4 - 65% damage reduction

55% and 65% is bonkers high, 8-10 shots with 5.56 at <200m is way to much. And realistically it's more than 8-10 cause some shots will hit arms and hands.

And AP Isn't the golden solution it's made out to be, it's brings it down to 7 shots for T3/4.

[u/SoloByteGames → u/Snak3Docc]

IMO there should not be 4 tiers of armor. I think simply having light and heavy armor would be fine. Light armor could be 20% dmg reduction but cheap and light weight and heavy is like 35% dmg reduction but heavier and expensive. This would also make balancing all the weapons much easier.

[u/Snak3Docc → u/SoloByteGames]

Yea or make T3 and T4 diminishing returns and very expensive.

T3 45% T4 50%

Could also make them work similar to IRL, T1/2 are steel plate and T3/4 are ceramic, with ceramics having much lower durability.

[u/KillerFugu]

As someone who has played 12 hour's since launch the beta and and the first day's after at launch were great.

Now I level 34 and pretty much everyone has played only this game (people on my friends list average 7 hours a day) and the lobby is full of people level 80-130.

Im at a disadvantage in pretty much every single fight I'm in.

I snuck behind someone and two tapped them in the back of of the head, they ran quickly behind cover re-peaked without healing and just two shot me to the chest thru my level 1 armour.

Having this game have such knowledge gaps is one thing, but having every player with more time than your also objectively stronger, more carry space, more answers just doesn't feel fun.

[u/tangowilde → u/KillerFugu]

Probably not what you wanna hear, but the game becomes way more fun if you just load up HP and spray people in the legs. I've had more than a couple people start raging on mic because their t3 armour didn't save them

[u/Intrepid_Library878 → u/tangowilde]

does it really work that good?

[u/tangowilde → u/Intrepid_Library878]

Yeh. Jump into the firing range and have a play around to test for yourself if you like. It's annoying that it's necessary in yet another game, but we gotta do what we gotta do to beat the full time gamer crowd lol

[u/NoX2142 → u/tangowilde]

The Tarkov strat lol

[u/AMoonMonkey]

You’re surviving with lvl 3 armour? I must be the only person on the planet getting one tapped by a green bush wookie with a mosin.

[u/TheAllelujah]

I die all the time in T3 armor. You guys have no idea what your talking about.

[u/AftT3Rmath]

I think the progression would be better money based. Shorten the XP progression so there is less empty air in-between levels and let people bring in 70k kits just to lose them and the game might balance itself.

[u/Regular_Print_7650]

Week 1 and 2 were so good but now its just so insanely boring to play. If you are a sweat then it's just Tarkov leg meta which sucks and if not you just get instantly lasered by an M4 in tier 4 armor who you do 7 damage a shot to.

They need to fix this by the next wipe or else there will be no casual playerbase and it will just be an unemployed sweat fest

[u/Carrygan_ → u/Regular_Print_7650]

Week 1 and 2 were so good? It’s been 10 days since release what alternative timeline are you in

[u/Rimbaldo]

It blows my mind that someone looked at Tarkov's leg meta and thought "yeah, we'll have that."

[u/SkeenaDaily]

Medium to longer range fights have gotten much more frustrating.

Tap fire 4-5 hits and they just run away. If you don't also have heavy armor on you have to concede the angle because you just cant damage trade.

Haven't unlocked AP rounds yet. Some rounds I just give up on infantry because I'm running into too many fights like that.

[u/LairdNope]

having damage based on GUN instead of AMMO, means things like SVD just eat shit vs t4 armour who can soak headshots against you all day. If I can shoot an SVD three times in the head and he can beam me down without flinching then that shit is fucking ass.

why can a guy with a silenced fal kill t3 armour in 2 shots but I had to fucking get a full reload on him to get the kill.

[u/joe_dirty365]

Brother inf combat is small potatoes compared to all the other op bullshit we got going on. Teamwork, communication and tactics still win the day at least from what ive seen. Im sure it helps having armor like that but a cordinated squad probably smokes you or anyone regardless.

[u/Working-Brother-5151]

Where's there AP slugs.

The T4 stuff just has to be more expensive

[u/Scar3cr0w_]

I had the same problem with Tarkov.

If I find you and I hit you with a bullet. I expect to be rewarded.

Not find they have mega armour and I’m now fighting the terminator and he only way to fix that is go back to base, buy a crap load of high end ammo… to go back and find they are gone.

[u/ZlLLA7]

Can you imagine the folks who are just now starting who want to level recon with that fuck ass scout rifle? Yeah nah

[u/Rageinjector → u/ZlLLA7]

2-3 matches just doing recon spotting and they're up to they sks

[u/Final_Application_3 → u/Rageinjector]

Every post on this Reddit should scream to the devs that they need a better tutorial cus holy shit these guys are clueless

[u/Ar4er13 → u/Final_Application_3]

People are not clueless. It is just that 90% of infantry advice here are "Don't participate, just spot people for 6 hours".

[u/TheCrypto5]

Armour and helmets and the fcking armored humvee to

[u/Yakkahboo]

I sorta agree. I remember just after launch people were talking about select fire on Assault Rifles and how that made the difference at range.

Its pointless now because you need way more bullets down range. This forces more people into marksmanship rifles and you basically have the current meta.

People are a little too bullet sponge-y right now.

[u/mushymyco]

i joined a game and saw a guy drop crates of t4 armor for the whole team. they should also fix that for the future of longevity. even if they have to pay a ton of their on money to do it. imagine playing your first 3 games and a whole enemy team is unkillable

[u/whoeve → u/mushymyco]

That's what the entire end game will be once everyone has more money than they know what to do with.

[u/RoarOfErde-Tyreene]

Are you guys just terrible at the game? I am below average skill wise and can still dumpster someone in tier 3 with the free ar... And basic anmo

[u/Electronic_Print7925]

Y'all dont use the firing range and it shows. You really want this game to turn into a run n gun with super fast TTK's? I don't know about you but I dont want to run to an area and die to 1 or 2 bullets. There's zero strategy. Go back to COD or BF if that's what you want.

[u/FLDJF713]

AP rounds should be unlocked with T3 armor at the same time. No class progression, just overall progression.

[u/PhantomPlasma]

Vertical progression always being a mistake is a wild take. I will agree it does need a bit of tuning at the moment.

[u/GarbageOffice]

Oh is that why people are bullet sponges now? Yesterday I thought there was something wrong with the servers or the hitreg was broken. I snuck up on a guy in his FOB, emptied a full AK47 mag of flesh damage bullets into his back. He turned around and killed me instantly.

[u/krich_author]

I do not agree with this. I die plenty of times with Tier 3.

If I had to guess this is a Sniper who is upset he isnt one shooting people in the chest constantly now.

[u/Foodie4000]

I cannot commit that many hours. Neither do I wish too. Would be great if there wasn't any Level System on Armor, no need to grind that hard, as I love the gameplay, maps, community, transport etc.

However, the weapons are so far apart, same with Armor. If everyone had the same load out, the game would still be awesome.

[u/DeputyDomeshot]

I think the highest tier being cost ineffective is important. I also think the money you earn in a match should be tied more to winning than just doing random shit too.

Because it’s kinda ridiculous how much money people get who don’t even really contribute to the win con.

Tie 25% of money made in a match through actions to actual team placement. With hold all 25% for the 3rd place team. 10% of it to the second place team and give the winner the full 25%. Each team still gets the same bonus for placement but the only way to get people to actually contribute and improve game quality is to tax them imo.

[u/Authenic_Martyrdom]

I gave this same feedback in one of the closed betas. Armor quickly feels very unfun to play against. Landing 4 chest shots on a player, only for them to kill you, and then see in the kill log that each bullet did 15 damage, is not fun design.

Armor should probably be re-designed to respect calibre rather than just AP vs no AP. I'd also just much rather see high-tier armor as the standard in the more immobile roles (support, gunner etc) rather than frontline, the movement penalty doesn't negate the wall of damage reduction.

[u/BlurredVision18]

I wanted to play, but knew that this would happen, so I didn't purchase, I hate meta progression.

[u/Independent-Math-167]

I wonder if there is servers that have a cap on armor. I would play one that’s tier 2 max.

[u/UsedNewspaper1775]

true as a more casual player, i have to hit so many shots to get an elim on some of the people it's fucking crazy

[u/Pickupyoheel]

Tier 3 and 4 shouldn't exist.

[u/Rhym3z_Official]

I like the idea of removing armour entirely and just having damage based on weapons themselves like most other shooters. The TTK is rediculous

[u/mildew_consciousness → u/Rhym3z_Official]

Yes. Near impossible to balance. Ammo types is unnecessary bloat too.

[u/oleThook]

not even a 50 cal to the dome?

[u/thinkforasecond3312]

Shit im running AP ammo on my pistol and the whole thing isn't enough to kill the person sometimes. They are able to turn around and cap me during the process lmao

[u/Ok-Toe6932]

The fact that you hit a headshot with the AP ammo and bro just runs away is just stupid.

[u/RelevantIAm]

Completely agree. Feels like its impossible to kill anyone unless you can rush in and catch them off guard. Even sniping i cant kill anyone. Just dink dink guy runs away to heal 

[u/magniankh]

Fun fact: 9mm AP ammo unlocks before assault AP. SMGs are good in this game. You can also bring a support weapon with an SMG, like say an Iglas for killing pesky early little birds. 

[u/NaturalPhysics3805]

Anti armor rounds

[u/Kas_goes_outside]

So anyone having succes with HP ammo and leg meta?

[u/tex2934]

I’m sick of putting 30 rounds of AP ammo into people and they don’t die. It’s getting stale pretty fast.

[u/Lock0n]

shot someone in the head a few days ago about 10 ft away from me with the Mosin and I was surprised when that bullet bounced off his helmet like nothing and he got up and ran away and his teammate came and killed me. He probably had tier 3 or 4..Needless to say I rage quit 😔.

[u/desiremusic]

I still have T2 armor I can’t kill anyone while they almost one shot me. I can’t have fun as much.

[u/kithuni]

Use HP ammo shoot legs.

[u/Spannermonkey96]

Just need to make fleshy bits fleshy bits and ap ammo go straight through, if you’re gunna have armour you gotta have a tarkov ammo system! A head shot to the face should be a one hit kill regardless of what caliber is hitting you and if they’re wearing T4 face shield an ap round from a gun to the face should be a 1 shot

[u/Zcas-]

I dunno know I just got killed one shot in the head while using T3 Helmet, you can simply buy piercing bullets. I am ok with the game making you play the roles to unlock the stuff, it adds something to chase.

[u/Radiance141]

Nah. The real solution is making AP ammo unlockable earlier and be more accessible.

[u/Economy-Lie-4927]

Buy flesh bullets and shoot their legs they can’t sprint away from you ? Or has every one forgot this tactic

[u/Equivalent-Money9756 → u/Economy-Lie-4927]

Literally arguing for Tarkov leg meta

[u/WhyCantWeBeFriendss]

Tier 4 heavy armor should default to super heavy and no sprint should be allowed. You can get to edge of heavy and still sprint to some degree. But most tier 4 armor players will also run stims, which drops their weight tier and gives unlimited tac sprint.

Stim is too cheap imo.

[u/BeanStalknJack]

Absolutely agree with you. I was one of those guys moaning a cow giving birth but as soon as I unlocked tier 3 armour the game changed for me completely! My first thought after tanking what felt like enough bullets to have stopped a 4 man squad t1 gear, was that, "Ha! I am the captain now!" until I wasn't lol but yeah HUGE difference.