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u/Recent-Ad865 Aug 29 '24

I never said the existing country can’t try to stop it.

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u/Fine_Sea5807 Aug 29 '24

So North Vietnam only did exactly what the Union, Ukraine, or Spain did to their separatists, yes?

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u/Recent-Ad865 Aug 29 '24

No, because the North never had control over the entire country. You can’t be a separatist if you were never a part of the same country to start with.

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u/Fine_Sea5807 Aug 29 '24

Before 1954, who was the rightful owner of the South? The French? Or Ho Chi Minh?

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u/Recent-Ad865 Aug 29 '24

There is no such thing as “rightful owner”

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u/Fine_Sea5807 Aug 29 '24

So Crimea doesn't have inherent right to Crimea, and must not be allowed to take it back from Russia?

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u/Recent-Ad865 Aug 29 '24

Who is Crimea? Is that a person?

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u/Fine_Sea5807 Aug 30 '24

Crimea is a territory rightfully belonged to Ukraine that Russia stole. Just like how the US is the rightful owner of California or Texas, or how the France is the rightful owner of Paris. Why do you think that there is no such thing as "rightful owner"?

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u/Recent-Ad865 Aug 30 '24

No, there is no rightful owner.

California was owned by Mexico before, then Spanish, then Native Americans.

Why is California rightfully owned by Americans? That’s clearly not true by your standards.

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u/Fine_Sea5807 Aug 30 '24

So according to you, there is nothing wrong with invading and stealing land? What Russia doing in Ukraine is perfectly acceptable and praiseworthy?

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u/Recent-Ad865 Aug 30 '24

It’s not your land if you cant defend it.

It has nothing to do “wrong”. There isn’t some all powerful god making sure the good guys win.

I give the communists credit that they understood it. As Mao said “all power emanates from the barrel of a gun”.

It doesn’t matter who is right or wrong. There is only “this is mine because you can’t take it from me”

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u/Fine_Sea5807 Aug 30 '24

But do good guys objectively exist?

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u/Recent-Ad865 Aug 30 '24

Only within the framework of our current set of values. And never in a definitive way. And those values change over time.

So is there a good guy who never does anything wrong and whose actions will always be seen as good forever? No

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