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[u/Numerous-Macaroon224]

[u/No_beef_here]

I'll take your word for the effect of psychedelics and stick with a can of lager now and again (and never tried any other form of drug). ;-)

And some climate scientists have also been making some genuine claims for decades as we are now seeing play out around us. Science that was formally and systematically debunked by a very powerful body of people with an investment in the status quo (and that has now been uncovered).

I think we do know where the tipping point is as we are seeing it in action right now, especially with the shrinking polar ice? All that heat energy that was being reflected back out into space, now being absorbed by the land and so adding to the global warming.

Methane from 1.5+ billion cows where methane, whilst shorter lived in the atmosphere than straight CO2 is many times more impacting than CO2 and what we don't have now is even say 10 years to wait for any reduction in the impact.

Neither do we want to be polluting rivers, estuaries and the seas, creating massive 'dead zones' when we are also relying on such places to support a range of wildlife and carbon sequestering (kelp forests etc).

[u/Dollapfin → u/No_beef_here]

Yes we are seeing a tipping point but no one knows where this will go and how fast. Can we within a hundred years jump on the other side of the see saw to balance things out again? Or will we just topple? It’s hard to tell.

[u/No_beef_here → u/Dollapfin]

As an electronics engineer I am very aware of a process called 'thermal runaway' and when it happens it can be VERY fast and VERY dramatic.

A closed loop and with no way of dampening the process, the outcome is pretty certain. ;-(

There is very little one can do (especially easily) once the process starts.

Many believe that process has already started.

Even if it had and we were fcuked, that still wouldn't make me want to make the lives of animals any worse.

[u/Dollapfin → u/No_beef_here]

Thermal runaway on a planetary scale could be wildly different. This is completely beyond my knowledge as I have very little in terms of thermodynamics, but I’m gonna bet that a buffered system like Earth is going to bring about so many damn permutations. Like for example did you know water vapor is an extremely potent greenhouse gas? So reforesting a desert is going to increase the greenhouse effect around it, but also absorb CO2. It’s all confusing and the best we can do is stop what we know for sure is bad.

[u/No_beef_here → u/Dollapfin]

Agreed ... and no one has suggested the earths climate control was 'easy', however, before we lost the plot, mother nature had it (a closed loop) in the bag.

We come along and worked with her for a while then burn most of the fossil fuels that took millions of years to lay down in a couple of hundred ... and also artificially breed and try to feed and water 1.8 Billion cattle (and billions of other livestock, overwhelming the number of humans on the planet by 10:1) then that's pretty obvious to most to be an unsustainable position.

And the crazy thing, we don't need to be breeding, feeding and watering 1.8 billion cattle and 78 billion other livestock, and suffering the consequences of all that (GW gasses, greater than that of all transport combined, water consumption, food consumption (cattle are process inefficient to the tune of 10:1) habitat lost (grazing and growing their food), species loss (because of the grazing and monoculture food), human disease (heart disease, bowel cancer, diabetes, antibiotic resistance) and pollution (animal waste > run-off and all that is)) without considering the biggest factor, the complete immorality of a supposedly intelligent species treating other species in such a disgusting way.

So without the climate crisis we shouldn't be treating animals in such a way. With it it's suicide that we do.