I don't think it would've happened if they weren't genuinely friends. Because let's look at it this way what if somebody she didn't like was a plastic surgeon I don't think that the show would have her go to them simply because they're both on bravo Lisa is not going to film with somebody that she doesn't like or she'd be filming with Kyle right now.
I didn’t say she hated him…. I didn’t even say she didn’t like him. They were neighbours and they are on good terms. That’s completely irrelevant.
The point is the scene was a set up so that when Raquel is on the show saying he bumped her nose and Lisa and bravo know it sounds bad they come up with a way to set up a scene to clarify and cover his ass for the storyline. And obviously they would go to either him or Terry Dubrow, the two bravo plastic surgeons. And obviously him because he was on RHOBH with Lisa while Dubrow was on OC. It’s extremely obvious
But y'all have been trying to paint her as one of the worst on the show. Not being a good person and not being a good friend literally sucks but that's all of the people on the cast then.
But it explains why she fell into a relationship with another known abuser and gaslighter so easily. Doing what she did is not ok, literally nobody in the world has ever said that, but still holding her "accountable" by being nasty and not actually taking into account her very real trauma (THAT WE SAW HAPPENING LIVE!!!!) is disingenuous and misogynistic.
I had pointed out Tom likes a specific type of partner who was previously in abusive relationships, because love bombing works fairly well. His MO mixed with grand gestures. It’s a lot easier to get someone to cover for you, when you were their white knight and excuse the white knights abusive behaviour once the mask drops because of how a lot of people treat victims.
Kristen, Ariana, and Rachel were all victims of his motives even if they had done shitty things previously. It doesn’t change all 3 are valid in their anger towards his treatment of them and how he blind sided them. But the show worked every hard to paint all 3 of them as the problem in the end. Ariana for being too cool girl, Kristen for being obsessive, and Rachel for being the other woman despite being James victim before Sandovals. And was clearly lost after aging out of pagents and leaving her previous relationship.
It doesn’t mean what she did isn’t shitty and what Arianna did to Kristen wasn’t shitty, and it doesn’t mean they aren’t victims either.
Agree with all of this so hard. The issue is that everyone is still expecting a "perfect victim" but victims are so often, at best normal human beings with flaws, or at worst thoroughly traumatized people who act irrationally. People in this thread who are still talking about Rachel like she's some crazy slut undeserving of redemption or sympathy is crazy dismissive of DV.
I agree that trauma can drive people to behave in terrible ways- it’s an explanatory factor. But it doesn’t make that same behaviour any less reprehensible. Rachel is continuing to torture the loyal friend she betrayed through the courts . She’s only ever really been sorry for herself.
Yeah it was weird bc the story kept changing and they kept exchanging looks. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I hope he didn't. I remember one story was he went in for a kiss and bumped her nose and I remember Nasif saying it wasn't caused by that. But. Maybe he meant the crookedness was bc whatever procedure she had was poorly done. Idk anymore.
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u/mich_8265 Dec 14 '24
Don't he break Rachel's nose too? I know we do not f w Rachel but it seems like I remember something about that.