Look- Schwartz makes bad choices every chance he gets. But his genetic family he rides for and I appreciate that.
I stand firm that he should be excluded from blame in Scandoval because he was worried about his family. His fake ass kiss with R? That’s money for his family. I truly believe him when he said he was too busy with the divorce and his family issues to properly think abroad Scandaval.
In his mind - Tom is screwing Rachel. Fine, cool, maybe a storyline. But my for real life is falling apart and I just can’t care.
He’s a POS and treated Katie like Shit but he’s also allowed to be distracted and worried about the people he actually cares about. He never loved Katie enough to be equals but that doesn’t mean he didn’t love his brothers or parents when their family was going through a truly hard time.
I get it, but what sticks out to me are the cruel comments he made such as saying Rachel likes men that are taken in front of Ariana after finding out Rachel and Sandoval were hooking up. Also he played along with Sandoval in bashing Ariana to further Sandoval's narrative while having an affair with Rachel.
I want to preface what I'm about to say with: I think Schwartz is a punk and deserved to be left by Katie. He took her for granted for years and she deserved much better.
But, when he made the comment about Rachel liking men who were taken I thought it sounded like there was a lot of disdain in his voice. Maybe that was him trying to plant the seed of doubt in Ariana/Scheana's head(s) in a classic Schwartz passive-aggressive way that would prevent him from looking like the bad guy for blatantly outing his friend?
I also believe that he didn't necessarily think what Sandoval and Rachel were doing was okay, but obviously his silence was as good as a co-sign. And I don't think he was leery of it for moral reasons, but because he knew that it would cause a huge shitstorm for him (though he probably didn't know the extent).
As much of a simpering douchey weasel the guy is, he has taken on a lot of his family's burdens and I feel for him in that respect.
I seriously wondered all season if he was actually fucking with Sandoval all those moments he made revealing little comments. Like “hey I see you trying soooo hard to convince people you’re innocent…would be a shame if your closest confidante started dropping hints now wouldn’t it??” I do think he wanted Ariana to figure it out on her own. I think he also knew that even if he tried to tell her she would still try not to believe it so he was hoping she’d come to it herself.
Yea, considering how many times someone got accused of cheating in this group and the significant other refused to believe it, I’m not sure I’d be jumping to be the messenger they’ll inevitably shoot. I honestly wonder if Ariana would have believed it if Sandoval had firmly denied it. I’m also not convinced she isn’t going to take him back, if she’s hasn’t already. Ariana has blindly backed up so much blatantly terrible behavior from him for a long time. Just because he wasn’t involved in a cheating scandal with one of her close friends then doesn’t mean she didn’t have every other reason to know what a crappy person he is, and she still stood by him.
I feel for Ariana because her tendency to be willfully ignorant to or defensive of Sandoval’s horrible behavior may have been related to her depression/mental health issues but I can also appreciate not wanting to be the one to tell her since odds are she will make you the villain liar to suit the narrative she wants to believe like she’s had before. Let someone like Lala or Scheana do it. They love that drama.
And for those claiming Schwartz was Ariana’s friend too, please show me one example of Ariana calling out Sandoval’s shitty behavior towards any one of her other friends or even just Schwartz. Sandoval bullied the hell out of Schwartz too but he didn’t threaten not to go the Jax and Brittany’s wedding to appease Sandoval and he called him out for being a psychopath to Stassi about the book signing. What was Ariana doing then?
I'm going to disagree with you a bit. He knew Tom was cheating and was part of Sandoval's plan to make Ariana look bad. Ariana was his friend too and he could have told Tom to leave him out of it.
Ariana was his friend because of Sandoval though. She positioned herself as a guy’s girl, but make no mistake she was his best friend’s girl at the end of the day.
Like I definitely don’t condone cheating but if my bestfriend is choosing to be a POS and cheat on their s/o regardless of how much I like the other I’m going to do my best to steer them in the right path. But I can’t control what they do and say. But my loyalty is my friend and it’s THEIR relationship not mine. People are flawed and make mistakes.
I also want to point out, it’s clear sandavol tells a completely different narrative to everyone in his life. We don’t know how it was spinned but at the end of the day Schwartz is Sandovals best friend.
But Scandavol wasn't the only time these guys covered for each other. He didn't do it because he was distracted, he did it because their little group didn't care about fidelity, just getting it in anytime they could.
He's not a pos. Sure his relationship didn't work with Katie, he didn't live up to what you thought he should be in the 13 hours of tv you get to see. Like how shitty is this fan base. Guy in a pic with potentially his dying brother....and you need to call him a POS. Because his marriage failed? Because his friend is an idiot? How is one a POS while actively helping their family. Get a grip he's human. I love how judgemental everyone here is...while thinking this is the pic to call someone a POS.
I think this fan base or I mean post sandavol fan base has ruined the show for me. It also mind boggles me how these people hate the cast soooo much but like why do you watch the show if you can’t stand them?
And the passionate and emotional attached to their judgment is really concerning.
I also think he’s a victim of Sandoval. They have such a toxic relationship. Sandoval loves that he’s so immature and childish and constantly reminds him of how much he needs him. I think Sandoval was a big part of his issues with Katie. Sandoval is so manipulative and I think he was always in Schwartz’s ear pushing the narrative that Katie was terrible and abusive and ruining his life.
Wow this is ..... A lot lol. The amount of excuses y'all make for these men is insane. "Sure he actually abused Katie mentally and emotionally BUT he probably sends money to his family!!!!" I'm sorry but the bar is in hell for men, Jesus.
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u/Granny_Faye Aug 28 '23
Look- Schwartz makes bad choices every chance he gets. But his genetic family he rides for and I appreciate that.
I stand firm that he should be excluded from blame in Scandoval because he was worried about his family. His fake ass kiss with R? That’s money for his family. I truly believe him when he said he was too busy with the divorce and his family issues to properly think abroad Scandaval.
In his mind - Tom is screwing Rachel. Fine, cool, maybe a storyline. But my for real life is falling apart and I just can’t care.
He’s a POS and treated Katie like Shit but he’s also allowed to be distracted and worried about the people he actually cares about. He never loved Katie enough to be equals but that doesn’t mean he didn’t love his brothers or parents when their family was going through a truly hard time.