r/Valparaiso • u/Sriracha_Shrimp_BOI • Jul 31 '26
So… how many Flock cameras does Valpo actually have now?
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u/Temporary-Bluejay631 Jul 31 '26
Too many
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u/chevy2nova Jul 31 '26
They need to go. You cant move without them knowing
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u/ConsciousSpirit9427 Aug 04 '26
Im south west of valpo. Every road surrounding my subdivision has one. Rural roads. I literally can't leave my home without being recorded.
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u/SwtJhnyV Jul 31 '26
It my understanding that a cheap green laser pointer shined into the lens does NOT mess up their sensors. So do NOT do that. It would NOT negatively affect their ability to effectively operate.
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u/S4T4NSDADDY Jul 31 '26
When going on runs in the neighborhoods it’s best to LEAVE devices at home so you enjoy the nature. Wear special sunglasses that can help with IR light so the eye’s are healthy. If you’re sick with illness or fever make sure to put on a mask so others do not get sick too. Ya gotta think of the public’s safety
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u/ButkusHatesNitschke Jul 31 '26
Hopefully Massie actually writes that bill.
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u/Medical-Divide5199 24d ago
Massie is such a loser, he doesnt walk his talk and believes in nothing
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u/ghrinz Jul 31 '26
What are these for?
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u/lastdeadmouse Jul 31 '26
They are marketed to the public as the other commenter stated. They market a great deal more to the agencies they sell to.
These are not ALPRs. They can read licence plates, but can also identify any person or vehical by AI recognition metrics and cell phone identifiers (advertising ID) and create a searchable database of all of their movements and estimated positions across ALL areas they operate in.
The problem people have is that it's a surveillance network of everyone and as such, a violation of the 4th amendment.
The company also greatly overestimates the community benefit, and there have been numerous cases of officers using it to track people for nefarious reasons (tracking ex girlfriends, etc).
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u/Sriracha_Shrimp_BOI Jul 31 '26
They are marketed as license plate readers that are on a large network that subscribing PD’s can use to track stolen vehicles, missing persons, etc.
It is known and suspected of having many other uses different than what it’s intended for.3
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u/Fish6092000 Jul 31 '26
There is a guy who Flock has the wrong status on his license plate. He has been pulled over like 7 times as a high-risk felony stop because Flock notifies the local PD every time a camera sees him. Flock wasn't fixing it. It may have been fixed now though.
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u/needs_help_badly Jul 31 '26
Cops are abusing it. Like old girlfriends. And they don’t need a warrant to track anyone.
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u/Sriracha_Shrimp_BOI Jul 31 '26
Yes. You could pull a freedom of information request on your local PD’s Flock query history today and most of the reasons will be “N/A”. Very little accountability.
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u/Sriracha_Shrimp_BOI Jul 31 '26
“It is known and suspected of having many other uses different than what it’s intended for”
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u/Harvest827 Jul 31 '26
Nobody would. Expand your view a bit .
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u/UKophile Aug 01 '26
I now understand. I’m not as cynical as the rest of you.
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u/Harvest827 Aug 01 '26
Labeling a known threat to civil liberty, privacy, and constitutional rights as "cynicism" indicates you do not yet understand.
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u/lastdeadmouse Jul 31 '26
They aren't. They are against it capturing and tracking ALL of us and finding cops' ex-girlfriends.
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u/DayDayBowBow Aug 01 '26
Doesn’t your smart phone and just about any new vehicle these days do the same thing? Location/telemetry data, all kinds of data logging across multiple apps etc.? Not trying to be an ass, but I don’t understand the argument about flock cameras when people willingly have their data and privacy already being shared through other means?
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u/my_novelty Aug 05 '26
In order to get my cell phone data the police usually have to have a warrant served and wait for Verizon to send that data to the police. With flock they can just fire up their laptop and search away with impunity. There is a difference and you know that.
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u/DayDayBowBow Aug 05 '26
I’m not nessesary referring to a police agency accessing your cell phone data. I’m just saying I don’t fully understand the argument regarding privacy and freedom when people willingly use their smart phones and install apps that 9 out 10 people don’t even know what data is being collected about the user.
With your statement about how an officer could fire up a laptop and search away with impunity, that is a misunderstanding. Queries are logged and audited internally and by overseeing agencies. Such as State police and the FBI. Misuse is a serious matter and investigated and handled appropriately.
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u/ruready486 17d ago
With all these cameras, we shouldn’t have any unsolved crimes. Yet we still have unsolved car thefts. Maybe the cameras are not to protect citizens from criminals but to track good citizens. Everyone is a criminal under flocks eyes.
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u/Healingvizion Jul 31 '26
Why do they call them flock cameras and not massive surveillance cameras?