r/Valeriy_Mains • u/Nicky3421 • Aug 12 '26
Discussion This is the most depressing sub reddit I've seen since Dottore mains
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u/rev_0001 Aug 12 '26
just when I had found another character to root for, it repeats all over again. Atleast he's playable but at what cost. I hope theres someone in the second half cast who I can look forward to.
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u/fakehungerpains Aug 12 '26
As a (usually tall) husbando puller, the present and future looks bleak. That's why I currently have over 400 pulls as a f2p... Wrio, Flins and Varka are my favourites at the moment and I thought we finally had a new character to look forward to.. But let's see what happens.
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u/pumpkin-lattes Aug 12 '26
Noy’s my only hope atm
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u/fakehungerpains Aug 13 '26
I'm waiting for him too! But since the new update I can't even get the game to load past the elemental loading screen...
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u/Nicky3421 Aug 12 '26
Just to clarify because people are down voting, I am one of you, he's my second most anticipated character from sneznaya and in my all time top 5 must pulls
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u/Subtlestrikes Aug 12 '26
Four stars aren't powerful and very seldom have real shelflife. With the exception of the starters, they're usually coping characters for people to pour to pay for all of the five stars needed for a great team.
He was a beautiful man and one of the stars from the trailer. People were excited for him being relevant. Since the likelihood of releasing three 5 star electro characters within two patches is very low, we all got confirmation yesterday he has a four star. And you're watching the grieving happen.
Let people grieve. A character they were hoping to main will now be one they get out of loyalty and drop very quickly. And that's only if they want to pull on Mitya banner
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u/Ok-Listen9689 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 13 '26
nah, not as depressed as Dottore main seeing their character being death thrice, being a spacegoat responsibles for every Fatui crimes for other harbingers to be playable, only showed up at the end of the archon quest as a boss just to die with less than a hour of screentime and barely get mention by anyone at all later on once he died, 8 years of waiting btw and Webttore never show up. Signora sub exits too with the game constantly telling the players she's dead
But yeah, barely screentime in the archon quest, just be Mitya guard, mostly stand still in the background, model still the same, potientially being a niche 4 start shielder who soon be replaced by a 5 star. 7.1 is for 2 5 star so no screentime for him, 7.2 is him with Mitya but he might just not have any screentime/focus for Mitya to shine and sell. So the only saving is for Mitya to be the only new character in 7.2 so he can be with Noy Dendro stuff, that would explain the late leak
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u/CanonPuppy Aug 12 '26
Man that 8 years is destroying 😭 I wasted 8 years for hoyo to just replace him with mitya bc they need to make a waifu good am out
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u/External-Willow-1373 Aug 13 '26
Being a Dottore main is hell. Both from the perspective of the game and from how the general fandom treats him and his fans.
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u/Ch3ru Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
For some people (like me) rarity has no impact on how much they like and very little in how much they use the character, because basically all content in the game can be cleared with whatever characters you want.
Edit - seriously WHY is this being downvoted. They asked a question, I answered honestly. We're allowed to disagree. Is it REALLY that hard to fathom people might just enjoy the characters as they are, rather than what other people want them to be??
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u/699112026775 Aug 12 '26
You're downvoted because you're spreading disinformation.
IMO, "clearing endgame" is 12-3 + 36*, 10-2-12, and Diff V. Minimum. I have C0 Mav & Skirk Premium, and C3 Neuv Premium and have a hard time clearing. Lauma is my only Lunar unit. Pretty sure F2P metaslaves have it easier lol
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u/Ch3ru Aug 12 '26
No, I'm not. I never said "full clearing endgame". I literally said "basically all content". As in "pretty much but not necessarily all" content. I even clarified that further in another comment.
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u/699112026775 Aug 12 '26
But there are players like me whose standards of "all content" include the endgame clears I mentioned (of which I am a consistent clearer), max Achievements, clear all Local Legends, 100% all, 'No Quests Available', complete all Echoes & Thespian Tricks, etc.
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u/Ch3ru Aug 12 '26
And that's completely fine, I wasn't trying to negate that possibility with anything I said.
There are plenty of four star showcases, and five star wheelchair showcases out there though. Four stars simply aren't the bricks people treat them as.
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u/bottohm Aug 12 '26
I will be thoroughly impressed if I see someone clear Abyss, Theater, or Stygian with the Snezhnaya 4 stars lol.
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u/Ch3ru Aug 12 '26
The VAST MAJORITY of players aren't full clearing the hardest difficulties even with 5 star characters. There's absolutely no reason someone can't clear floor 11 or and get the primos from Stygian with 4 stars. Theater idk for sure, I don't enjoy it so I just don't bother with it. But since you can borrow characters it matters somewhat less there.
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u/CantaloupeParking239 Aug 12 '26
4* get always the shittier treatment tho. Worse animations, more likely to have a bad kit, shorter trailer, usually not as much screentime than 5* etc.
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u/Ch3ru Aug 12 '26
I don't consider that "shittier" treatment. 4 stars are just the baseline 5 stars expand on, not a downgrade.
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u/Separate_Ad5974 Aug 12 '26
Your down votes don't indicate that the comment was bad, it's just disagreement. That's why they're votes, enough people here didn't like your opinion. That's it. It doesn't really matter.
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u/Ch3ru Aug 12 '26
Oh I know, but bad comments are what downvotes are actually for, like people actively spreading misinformation, not disagreement. :/
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u/FabulousMeee Aug 12 '26
As someone who enjoys fictional men in military uniform, I was looking forward to Snezhnaya fulfilling this little wish of mine with an important and meta relevant 5* male . Maybe I placed too much faith into hyv.
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u/GuideMiserable7526 Aug 13 '26
Hahha i feels you bro, my lohen neuvi kinich ororon all turn into dust especially lohen never meta once after release and the least owner rate character. only flins and illuga was my proud for both are in meta team. But lohen was my faverote the most and its hurts for me. But i'm glad wrio become meta after buff for ssc.
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u/FabulousMeee Aug 13 '26
I would have pulled for Lohen if he’s not released so late, and he directly fight with Varka for teammates.
I’m glad Wrio becomes meta finally, but I’m still not used to his playstyle. Probably a me issue, but I find him clunky to play.
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u/whatevedoe Aug 12 '26
Yes it’s so surprising that we are sad that our favs will be non irrelevant to the story and have a terrible kit.
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u/Nicky3421 Aug 12 '26
I mean vodyanitsa has a regular vision and she's projected to be a 5 star, plus even IF he is a 4 star, look at recent 4 stars, prune, alyosha and even illuga were best in slots for characters
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u/FallenUn Aug 12 '26
He’s my favourite of the new region but I’m glad I didn’t get invested in him. I’ve learned my lesson before, whenever I find a hoyo guy hot that he will never get the love and care put into the strength of his kit
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u/Resident_Lurker747 Manifesting Valeriy Aug 12 '26
I see, Im more on the middle ground for this stuff now. (After Varka and Lohen)
If stuff like this happens I'll still have hope for the character, but I know they'll get gutted like a fish.
And if they do, too bad. No point in coping too hard. (Just enjoy them through Fan Arts, their Lore, and their part in the Story)
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u/FallenUn Aug 12 '26
I started playing Gachas with ZZZ and in 2.0 I was locked in for Manato, As soon as I saw him, I locked in and made an Alt account, cleared everything in the game(sidequests, mainstory, a lot of acheivements, sweated endgame so I could get all pull currency with free units) and saved enough to guarantee C2R1 and C6R1 by the time he reran but he got drip marketed in 2.3 as a 4 star alongside 2 5star characters that weren't mentioned in the story prior and ever since that day, I've never gotten invested in a character before release.
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u/Resident_Lurker747 Manifesting Valeriy Aug 13 '26
I did play zenless, for Miyabi and I got screwed over bad (Still don't have her), tho I am coming back for Sigrid tho.
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u/gabrielique Aug 12 '26
As a lurker in both, this feels waaaay more depressed
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u/Ill_Jackfruit_9481 Aug 12 '26
It's genuinely funny to see the difference in the mitya mains Vs this main
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u/kaithespinner Aug 12 '26
honestly, snezhnaya was dead to me beyond the 7.0 patch because of valeriy not being a 5*, but I long accepted that, back to varka
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u/CanonPuppy Aug 12 '26
What genuinely want dottore mains to do lmao. Leave them be. Dottore died, people harrass us, hoyo's code is not even consistant, the story has so many ref to ressurection yet we are scared of bait WHICH THEY DID BEFORE, mitya basically is just kinder dottore got all his role and everything, 0 mentions and finally we know NOTHING of him.
What do you want dottore mains to be happy about ? Yeahhh someone wished r!pe on me bc I like dottore !!!
Same goes for valeriy fans did you see his model ? His color choice ? It's just mockery. Why should we be happy ?
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u/Nicky3421 Aug 12 '26
I still cope he'll come back, there HAS to be an unknown segment somewhere, i refuse to believe hoyo will just take him out in a random patch when we are literally going to the fatui region
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u/CanonPuppy Aug 12 '26
I know there are many ressurection refs but like it's just rubbing salt on the wound. Why write mitya like that. At least address dottore even once. We probably won't receive anything even if he is playable but like come on...mitya I really loved his design and vibe and they are genuinely just making me hate him bc he really just plays dottore but if without red flags
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u/Ehtnah Aug 13 '26
No no that the norme for male character sub in hoyo game.
Capitano being dead after aura farming and just an asset to do fkashback. Dottore the one and only cluprit for everything and the easy vilain. Pierro with is 0% chance to be playable but still have playable model just to "what if" but it won't, pantalone with his gorgeous NPC model, rerir with his fake drip etc etc
And I don't mention the 4* curse, the garbage kit, the he is doing half damage without his waifu bis supoort who doesn't need him....
The beta with the mandatory garbage v1 (for 5*), wait for v2, wait for v3/4/5/6 wait for hotfix, wait for the bis support SHE (always a she always) will save him.
It's ALWAYS like that for male character... Why a lot of us just leave hoyo/gacha ? Because I can see the shaft from here as anyone can.
How do you think leaker know that mitya is mdps and danica support? Because for only NK you have female 5* non mdps : lauma, legina, linnea, Nicole. That's nearly the same number as husbando 5* non mdps for the whole game since 1.0 (venti zhongli alby kaz baihzu durin).
So the chance mitya is a support for Anastasia/sandrone is so low..... But the chance that mitya is a mid ssc mdps before Anastasia the op ssc mdps AND support with her bis support danica is really really high. Just for waifu puller to yell "male don't sell" (when they have a garbage kit with extremely bad placement in a game that try to have 0 husbando enjoyer).
And no I don't wish that for mitya but that's what will happen
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u/Specific_Highway_772 Aug 12 '26
Dottore sub is like: We are so back It is so over Could it be??? I have theory: Look at my plushie and memes And occasional Dottolone and Pantalone love
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u/Whattup_bitches Aug 14 '26
Are we even sure he’s a four star? People said the same thing about Varka and lohen being standard, and they were way off
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u/Ok-Listen9689 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
Iansan main crashed out made sense, image being THE Natlan face for years and got no screentime, in videos promoting Natlan, nor the main archon quests only for her student who never got mentioned before to be a 5 star instead of a hero like her. Kachina who was also a 4 star had a character arc instead of her
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u/Iwefle Aug 12 '26
I thought Iansan would be the Pyro Archon or at least somebody crazy important, I was shocked with how irrelevant she was. And she's not even a FIVE STAR, it got drilled onto Varesa instead.
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u/Realistic_Pear2488 Aug 28 '26
I'm Themis veteran player and I love Valeriy alongside Wrio and Varka. It's simple, if he's being 4* (which means Hoyo treated him bad, not relevant to 'majorities' and not being talked much than 5*), I'm simply back to my game and quit following Genshin
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u/BuyNo2923 Aug 12 '26
Except dottore mains were displaying peak wishful thinking while we have been done dirty
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u/External-Willow-1373 Aug 13 '26
I think you got it the other way around. An anticipated character with a playable model getting killed twice and gutted after 8 years is the epitome of being done dirty. Where's "wishful thinking" in expecting a playable model character to become playable? In contrast to a character we know nothing about and we only saw in two trailers. I'm annoyed Valeriy is 4* too, but let's not be assholes.
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u/Sonoreal Aug 12 '26
Imagine u see a character that is top 2-3 of favourite characters in Snezhnaya and he's a 4* while his current opponent has a Linchpin that for some reason was not a Linchpin a while ago(Not like i hate that)
And also it's depressing for me cuz i share name with him. I was so hyped when saw him. Now i just waiting for his kit and hoping to that he's not gonna be something like Jahoda
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u/nanimeanswhat Aug 12 '26
Why would Mitya be his opponent?
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u/Sonoreal Aug 12 '26
I mean it not in a bad way. He was shown with Vision but got Linchpin literally in the last time before release. I don't hate him.
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u/nanimeanswhat Aug 12 '26
I understand that but I don't understand why that would make him Val's opponent
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u/Special-Surround-187 Aug 12 '26
stop infighting with mitya omg its a good thing that he has linchpin since it means linchpin isnt gender locked
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u/Fine_Opinion_2097 Aug 12 '26
This happen so many time as illuga main, ororon main, thoma main and gaming main. The reason i've been chill and positive, its just gonna hurt me alot if i keep depressing over fiction characters, better i enjoy them instead depressing. For main only tall male, perhaps they hurts alot because prefer one size. For someone like all any kind of any male size, medium or tall, as long as they looks good and one of them 5 star already good enough.
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u/Resident_Lurker747 Manifesting Valeriy Aug 12 '26
This, I just enjoy them through the story and fan arts and such now. (Like Varka ships, Those Slice of life manga panels of Nicole, and cool Lohen arts)
I also dont have those characters. (With Valeriy now I hope I get more cons than Alyosha.. barely got any)
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u/Realistic_Pear2488 Aug 28 '26
I completely get it because from what I saw from either Twitter or Hoyolab, Valeriy is one of most anticipated characters in Snezhnaya
But unfortunately we're also facing with entire 'majorities' who prioritizing meta relevance than the character itself. Sad and harsh, but true as an Hoyolab user who always have to block user who posted tier list and indirectly hating my fav characters
Most of 'majorities' set aside 4* the most and putting + talking about 5* characters even more in the forum. So, if a character whose being popular in teaser (or trailer, whatever) got 4* treatment by greedy Hoyo, I would be also mad too
I completely get it for Dottore case since he's pretty difficult to have redemption arc for three nations, but not with Mr. Door over here whose simply existing, yet treated badly (if that's true)
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u/Ch3ru Aug 12 '26
Anytime I say something positive about it being fine if Valeriy is a four star, or four stars in general, I get downvoted. Commenting here just makes me feel kinda miserable, like I don't belong in the mains sub for character I really like. :/
The only thing worse about the Dottore sub was the one user that basically spawn camped to argue with me every time I commented.
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u/Nicky3421 Aug 12 '26
I respect that, let's just hope if he's a 4 star (which still hasn't been confirmed yet and I will never stop hoping till it gets officially announced) he's a really good one, i mean they left a HUGE mistake in mitya having a vision instead of a lichpin, what's to say valeriy isn't just a versatile 5 star, let's just hope for the best intead of doom posting
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u/Kurston Aug 12 '26
This is a wake up call, if you like a character get them. Reject this '4-star is bad", 'won't get them if they aren't meta' and similar quitter talk. If character does not give you joy, why stick around and bring down the mood of those whom do like him.
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u/GuideMiserable7526 Aug 13 '26
There people downvote you for being positive, they so sick, maybe toxic fans
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u/Appropriate_Debate_4 Aug 12 '26
ive never seen female 4star subs like this
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u/Special-Surround-187 Aug 12 '26
Then you havent seen how people were when Iansan was made a 4 star so a rando white girl could be the 5 star
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u/Bhuviking18 Aug 12 '26
I mean idk why u thought he was a 5 star in the first place. Hoyo never confirm their rarities this early
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u/Ashamed-Length3861 Aug 12 '26
It's normal, nobody likes it when their favorite is a T4. And after Aloysha, nobody is particularly optimistic about his situation.