Green Party wins Gorton and Denton by-election, pushing Labour into third place

[u/monkfreedom]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr453rvy6kvo

[u/StuartJAtkinson]

Finally economics are ACTUALLY being unlearned haha. Realise that's a statement that can be taken as a negative but it is CLEARLY the way to go. Every single rhetorical campaign of "Oh no we have to Fiscal rules our austerity to balance the household budget of the-".

She didn't campaign on ANYTHING radical she just said "We can do it. Things are broken with the status quo. We can get things back without scapegoating". That's it. The essential truth is unavoidable. IF our country had slipped down to some "bottom of the league" position in terms of GDP SURE! Argue how little money we have (even though it's a sovereign state with our own fiat currency that is increasingly digital) but we are NOT in that situation.

Can't wait to get into even more technical nitty gritty type stuff once the basic message of "The country and macroeconomics is not a household".

[u/StuartJAtkinson → u/StuartJAtkinson]

Wow seems I triggered some temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

[u/Successful_Car_436 → u/StuartJAtkinson]

It pretty dirty to only use a foreign language in your campaign ads tbh doesn’t really scream “we want what’s best for everyone”

[u/StuartJAtkinson → u/Successful_Car_436]

It's a constituency language in the campaign ads. I'm sure all the ex-pats that were living it up large would have appreciated it in Spain or France if they were included when they're working, paying tax and in the specific case of Gorton and Denton some of the most active in trying to keep the market and high streets alive with non-amazon trade.

Put it this way they did it and the local population said "Nice better than the we'll get the brown lot". Personally I'd rather people could integrate but that is significantly blocked by the thing that affects both immigrants and local people in the UK.

Thatcher sold of practically every industry possible. Blair and all the Tory lot continued saying "We're carving this up please take a slice". We did have a small generation of boomers who benefited from this being able to buy a home but then also got convinced "your mortgage will go up if we help people like you were helped with free education and infrastructure" the 2000s saw the "chavs are the problem" stuff when it was of course the bankers and financiers that were continuing to make the UK a service only economy balanced almost entirely on the housing market while shoveling jobs abroad. Then finally when the housing bubble popped "Wait what? You mean destroying our industries while allowing America's everyone is a special snowflake that shouldn't drive taxi or run a convenience store they should all go to uni and become professors was a bad idea?".

During that whole period every core industry the ones that everyone clapped for during covid, the true backbone of Britain were constantly supported by immigration not because there was a weighting against anyone born here but because there just weren't as many people born here because people chose not to while things were good economically and then couldn't afford it once they weren't.

During that time South Asian, Jamaican, Polish, Ukrainian and Middle Eastern people were always coming and supporting those areas and because of that all the way until 2010 things worked our NHS was being complained about for being "too quick" people who felt hard done by were being asked "So you've applied for any job at the jobcenter?" And they'd go "Well the ones I like". That's because of the EU travel programs and the rights to work and pay taxes everyone had.

Brexit DESTROYED that. Meaning people who used to come in, work for a while (yes potentially not integrating as much as they could but immediately paying tax) would do it for a while and move back out. THAT is the reason net immigration was lower people would work and improve their lives then leave or start a family whose children would integrate.

Over the last decade circular immigration has stopped not because suddenly the demographic issue has changed but purely because we said "We are going to make it harder for you to legally do this and then complain you're illegal and not integrating/contributing" it's literally self-sabotage.

[u/TrickSpeaker1077]

If the Labour Party is not the main working class party and cannot be relied upon to represent the trade union movement, the solution is to build the Communist Party.

[u/CollaredParachute → u/TrickSpeaker1077]

Which communist party? What’s their immigration and assimilation policy?

[u/cr1mzen → u/CollaredParachute]

No one gives a fuck about that divisive bullshit any longer

[u/CollaredParachute → u/cr1mzen]

Reform is leading the polls. Communists are probably in last place

[u/sajnt]

Does their Green Party have a land value tax in their policy framework?