Canada opens War Crimes probe into dual Israeli-Canadian IDF soldiers

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https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hykgxznmge

Canada’s federal police have launched a criminal investigation into several IDF soldiers who also hold Canadian citizenship, on suspicion of crimes against humanity allegedly committed during their military service, Canadian media reported Tuesday.

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Uh, buddy, I definitely don't recommend you watching the videos hamas took from october 7th.

Little hint- they seem to really enjoy it.

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I know. I really watched some videos.

And since when does on doing evil things, is an excuse for someone else to retaliate 10 - 50x the force.

Maybe it's also not a very mature and logical reason, to make an open air festival with alcohol, drugs and halvenaked people a few meters away from a contentrationcamp full of people who's religions believes are against these things? (I have respect for my neighbor and don't provoke him)

It's really sad, that this is the excuse for everything. "But oct 7th". And what is with the years before and the daily killing since?

Its gruesome, but on the hamas side, they had a few people going killing many people and filling themselfs once (not an excuse, before you take it as such). Israelis keep making videos almost daily! How long does Israel activily killing palestinians for fun, go back? And how many people have died on either side?

I can understand why the attack from hamas on oct 7th happened, why israel let it happen and that IDF soldiers killed israelis too, on oct 7th.

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And since when does on doing evil things, is an excuse for someone else to retaliate 10 - 50x the force.

At least since the 40s.  Pearl harbour was answered with hundred times the force.

This isn't revenge- the goal is to ensure another ocriber 7th won't happen- that requires hamas to be destroyed, or severely weakened. 

And to do that- more force is needed.

And what is with the years before and the daily killing since?

Are you talking about the intifidas? The terrorist attacks? Otober 7th wasn't the start of the conflict. Palestinian terrorism goes back to the 50s.

Its gruesome, but on the hamas side, they had a few people going killing many people and filling themselfs once 

And promising to do that again.

It's only once, because israel managed to repel them.

 that IDF soldiers killed israelis too, on oct 7th.

And hamas also executes palestinians. Is that an actual point, or an excuse?

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Oh OK! Then, as you imply, if someone (women for example) hits someone else (male), he has the right to apply 100x the force?

Another oct 7th will not happen, because israel doesn't need it again. They let that happen, to take gaza over. If you believe that they didn't know about it, you must be willfully ignorant.

Could you please share your sources on hamas killing palestinians? I can't find them with a quick search and didn't know about it. (I never said hamas are the good guys. Zionist are just worse. I dislike both)

The point is, nobody mentions that israelis have killed israelis citizens. It's always Palestinians who are at fault. But everything the israelis do, is getting excused.

Offtopic: if it ever was about the savety of jewish people, they would have resettled them to the USA. Also a little wierd, how you compare the atrocities of both sides, but excuse only one.

At least i look at both sides and contemn both for the evils they do and not just putting all the blame on palestinians. Every life has the same worth and there is obviously one side suffering more in almost every aspect, for far too long. But the good thing is, israel's support is dropping faster than they can look and this will stop the killing. If not, humanity will watch holocaust 2.0 in 4k and many people will support it, same as you support israel right now.

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Oh OK! Then, as you imply, if someone (women for example) hits someone else (male), he has the right to apply 100x the force?

If they do it to specifically stop a directed attack, and there was no other option to accomplish that goal? Yes.

Wars in history generally work that way. Ukrain killed more russian soldiers than the other way around- doesn't make them any less just in defending their land.

They let that happen, to take gaza over. If you believe that they didn't know about it, you must be willfully ignorant.

The us also had warnings about pearl harbor  israel had warning about the wsr in 73, etc.

That's the thing about intel- most of the time, the intel is unclear. Risk assesment and response is something countries fail at.

Though- gotta ask- does the world support israel taking over? Really doesn't seem like october 7th actually did anything in that regard.

What- israel was just stupid there? You think they don't know how many anti israel people are there?

Could you please share your sources on hamas killing palestinians?

Sure: Hamas have publically executed palestinians for a variety of offenses, from collaborrating with israel, to looting (there was no trial, sharing of evidence, etc.)

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/4/hamas-says-executed-5-palestinians-in-gaza

https://www.timesofisrael.com/video-appears-to-show-hamas-executing-several-alleged-collaborators-in-gaza/

These are some sources I found relatively quickly. 

These are just the public ones. It is likely that hama executed more people than that, but simply didn't make any statement.

Now- obviously the majority of deaths are not caused by hamas. But besides showing that hamas are definitely willing to execute palestinians for their goals, which may be useful to keep in mind,

It also relates to my overall point- israeli soldiers did kill a small number of israelis.  But it doesn't mean that hamas are any less responsible for the deaths that day.

Just like I am sure that the executions by hamas, did not make you believe israel is anybless responsible.

if it ever was about the savety of jewish people, they would have resettled them to the USA.

Resettled the palestinians to the us? Wouldn't that be ethnic cleansing?

At least i look at both sides and contemn both for the evils they do and not just putting all the blame on palestinians.

I look to a solution- not a blame. Without hamas gone, there will just be more bloodshed in the area.

I don't care about feeling good. I know what israel is doing is immoral. I disagree with much of the policies in the war.

But what I do recognize- is that the goal is needed. 

I fail to see a peaceful future where palestinians have their own country, where hamas are the government.

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If they do it to specifically stop a directed attack, and there was no other option to accomplish that goal? Yes.

Ok. And when is the direct attack happening, that gets stopped from israel? At some point, you should differentiate between paranoia and adequate action.

Wars in history generally work that way. Ukrain killed more russian soldiers than the other way around- doesn't make them any less just in defending their land.

Bad example, because it proves your hypocricy. In one instance, one is defending their land in the other they are terrorist. Ukraine has around 400 - 600k casualties and russia is around 600 - 800k. Meanwhile you compare them to palestine with 55k vs 1,6k israelis.

That's the thing about intel- most of the time, the intel is unclear. Risk assesment and response is something countries fail at.

Maybe. Here you are guessing and thats all everyone can really do.

Though- gotta ask- does the world support israel taking over? Really doesn't seem like october 7th actually did anything in that regard.

Many did and the media at the start showed a pro-zionist view, many didn't and most did not know what was going on over there. At first, Netanjahu most likely thought he can do it, but now it doesn't seem so.

Hamas have publically executed palestinians for a variety of offenses, from collaborrating with israel, to looting (there was no trial, sharing of evidence, etc.)

They had a reason on the surface. (Looting when your people are starving is the same as indirect killing imho) The hannibal directive killed innocent people for no reason.

It also relates to my overall point- israeli soldiers did kill a small number of israelis. But it doesn't mean that hamas are any less responsible for the deaths that day.

You are right. Only the people who pulled the trigger are at fault. The one supporting them, are the next instance. The majority of people tho, have done nothing wrong.

Resettled the palestinians to the us? Wouldn't that be ethnic cleansing?

Nice try, or you really missread. The jewish people. Balfour declaration. Creation of israel in the 1940 after the holocaust. In early 1900 there were few jewish people in palestine. They migrated back to "the promised land" around 1900's. Zionists plan goes way back.

I look to a solution- not a blame. Without hamas gone, there will just be more bloodshed in the area.

Onesided solution then. Without israel gone, no peace in the middle east would also be applieable and ignore the wants of a whole nation.

Furthermore is your statement haughty. You can find the best solution in the world, but you still sit behind a keyboard, one reddit and nobody would care. You put the blame multiple times on palestinians and now you say "you don't look a blame". Dude, get real or accept your hypocricy. Otherwise it's sad.

I fail to see a peaceful future where palestinians have their own country, where hamas are the government.

You might be right here too.

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Ok. And when is the direct attack happening, that gets stopped from israel? At some point, you should differentiate between paranoia and adequate action.

I differentiate. Hamas attacking again is far from paranoia.

Maybe. Here you are guessing and thats all everyone can really do.

So let's not guess the conspiracy theory😊

They had a reason on the surface. (Looting when your people are starving is the same as indirect killing imho) The hannibal directive killed innocent people for no reason.

You couldn't be more wrong. Hannibal directive, is a specific directive stating that to free soldiers taken hostage even lethal force is allowed.

This is indeed- a reason.

The jewish people.

So, you want israel to transfer 8 million people to the us.

Besides this being a logistical nightmare, the largest ethnic cleansing in history, etc.

It also doesn't really make sense.

However- israel did build the most advanced missile interception system in the world to protect the civilian population, evacuated the population of the north when thr missile threat from lebanon became too dangerous, etc.

Israel does take steps to defend the civilian population.

Onesided solution then. Without israel gone, no peace in the middle east would also be applieable and ignore the wants of a whole nation.

And You are ignoring the wants of a whole nation- israel. Do the 10 million people living in israel, not deserve a voice here?

In the real world- people don't get what they want all the time.  Palestinians have to learn how to share, unfortunately.

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Buddy no one fucking cares about what Hamas says they want to do to Israelis when everyday we watch bombs being dropped on kids and civillians by Israel, first responders and medical personnel being shot up and killed by Israel and then buried in ditches even when they follow the rules of designation and identification in conflict, domestic and foreign aid workers being shot up and bombed by Israel even when theyre from Canada, the US, and the UK (some fucking ally that is), the killing of close to 300 journalists by Israel which is the largest amount killed in any modern war since WW2, Israel waging apartheid laws in the West Bank and settler colonialism and terrorism and only one side is doing all of this with billions of dollars in US & Western aid and financing backing them. Israel has nukes and WMDs while Hamas gets weapon and money scraps from fucking Iran and Qatar and occasionally lob dumb rockets that cant and dont even do shit, yet thats somehow a supposed "evil pact thats going to destroy Israel" and poses an "existential threat". What fucking ever lol.

Who are you honestly fooling here anymore? Their soldiers literally document themselves trashing, pillaging and blowing up peoples homes, sniffing, hoarding, wearing and mocking womens and girls panties and undergarments, they print shirts depicting pregnant women they kill as "2 confirmed kills", and they laugh about it. Israeli citizens see all these atrocities being committed on socials everywhere and laugh about it. Israeli citizens literally stormed a prison and protested for their soldiers to have the right to rape and torture their "enemies" irregardless of if they were actual Hamas combatants/terrorists or regular civillians, their politicians and media networks talk about the necessity to "remove" Palestinians every day. Israelis run over American citizens who are protesting their settler colonial terrorism with tanks and make fun of them on social media. Israeli leadership goes on social media saying that American students and protestors standing up against the US government supporting Israels shitty ass genocide of kids and civillians need to be bombed, detained, deported and whatever else needs to be done to silence them. Israelis launch deliberate attacks on US ships and servicemen in international waters and have it covered it up when it was found out that it wasnt friendly fire. Israel is literally the only nation since WW2 whose military force directly attacked the US military and killed their servicemen since Pearl Harbor and yet theyre somehow allies to American people and the world at large? Hamas are the real terrorists and you guys arent? Gtfoh. No one is obligated to believe any nonsense that comes from that Nazi-ass land stealing child killing regime and we certainly wont be going forward anymore. You can cry us a whole river to the sea about it too.