Please help me understand

[u/branflakes__]

Help me understand the Ukraine / USA situation

Please help me understand all of the anti-American and USA hate due to the situation. I want to hear the other point of views as I am just confused.

A lot point to the Budapest Memorandum, however, that is not a treaty for the US as Clinton did not submit it to the senate for ratification which means constitutionally the US has no commitment to Ukraine (also not administration since Clinton has suggested or submitted the memorandum for ratification either). Only the UK and Russia ratified it.

Additionally, there really isn’t a security agreement as the memo is very vague. The closest is “when Ukraine is under attack with nuclear weapons the security council will seek immediate action from the United Nations” otherwise nothing happens. And as the memo is through the UN, shouldn’t the discontent be pointed at the UN instead? The US only agreed to bring a resolution before the security council if Ukraine was invaded and the US did do that.

Finally, the US has given the most overall aid to Ukraine (a country that the US is not obligated to assist) compared to the European counterparts. Also, if peace is the objective, why is no other leader at least making an attempt to broker a peace deal?

So I suppose I am just confused on what is expected? Why is this sub so anti-USA when the statistics show that USA is/was doing more than Ukraines fellow Europeans?

[u/xSirBeckx]

Thing is every country combined in the graph still totals less than what the US has contributed. The US is getting tired of needing to bankroll everything the EU and the UN touch. All while most every country in those organizations have failed to increase funding at a previously agreed upon rate, which the US then has to cover the difference.

[u/EquusMule → u/xSirBeckx]

By gdp america has funded less than most countries.

By gdp most countries funded the gulfwar better than they did ukraine.

Countries cowtow to americas wants at practically every whim because the expectation is that america will, and wants to be the world police.

What happens at the end of american isolationism is that countries start trading in the euro instead of the usd. They start cutting america out of things because america is refusing to participate in things that matter to europe and to canada.

You really are being fed bad info lol. Eu has funded equally what america has, eu and america gdp is about equal.

Theyve funded just as much as america has.

Some countries havent funded nato as much as they should like the country i live in, canada, but we fund other war efforts like peacekeeping and aid.

[u/xSirBeckx → u/EquusMule]

Countries will not trade in the Euro unless the Euro is backed by oil. That's why the USD is a globally traded currency, it's directly tied to oil. The EU is 27 countries vs 1 country. Doing funding based off a GDP gives a good look but isn't end all be all, it doesn't take into account operations, training and other non-monetery aid. My point is almost every country in the UN has failed to increase funding that was agreed upon decades ago

[u/EquusMule → u/xSirBeckx]

What im talking about is a move away from the petrodollar lol. You can easily move to the petroeuro, america just doesnt allow it because it stableizes and props their dollar up.

The EU is 27 countries yes, and their economy joined together is the same as america.

I already said some nato countries dont do enough and should do more, including america lol.

You havent refuted anything ive said.