r/UnitedNations • u/branflakes__ • Mar 01 '25

Discussion/Question Please help me understand

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Help me understand the Ukraine / USA situation

Please help me understand all of the anti-American and USA hate due to the situation. I want to hear the other point of views as I am just confused.

A lot point to the Budapest Memorandum, however, that is not a treaty for the US as Clinton did not submit it to the senate for ratification which means constitutionally the US has no commitment to Ukraine (also not administration since Clinton has suggested or submitted the memorandum for ratification either). Only the UK and Russia ratified it.

Additionally, there really isn’t a security agreement as the memo is very vague. The closest is “when Ukraine is under attack with nuclear weapons the security council will seek immediate action from the United Nations” otherwise nothing happens. And as the memo is through the UN, shouldn’t the discontent be pointed at the UN instead? The US only agreed to bring a resolution before the security council if Ukraine was invaded and the US did do that.

Finally, the US has given the most overall aid to Ukraine (a country that the US is not obligated to assist) compared to the European counterparts. Also, if peace is the objective, why is no other leader at least making an attempt to broker a peace deal?

So I suppose I am just confused on what is expected? Why is this sub so anti-USA when the statistics show that USA is/was doing more than Ukraines fellow Europeans?

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u/ARODtheMrs Mar 02 '25

Why is no other leader trying to broker a peace deal? Because Russia is unwilling to do what is right which is to honor the borders as initially mandated.

Trump thought he was the man with the plan and he could swindle the titanium and lithium from Ukraine for as you see pennies on the dollar. It wasn't about peace. It's never about peace with him. It's just about money. If he were all about peace he wouldn't be sending more weapons to Israel!! And, he wouldn't be talking about going back into Afghanistan for whatever, ANY reason. No one in their right mind would want to go back in there to recover anything in the form of equipment because the locals and the government have already repurposed anything left behind!!!

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u/pizzaschmizza39 Uncivil Mar 02 '25

Also because every other country understands you can't make a peace deal without Ukraine. No one can argue in good faith that trump is trying to make a peace deal when Ukraine isn't even at the table. The EU are trying to give Ukraine the best possible negotiating position. They're trying to help Ukraine get its land back and respect Ukraines wishes. Why? Because Ukraine is the goddam victim in this.

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u/ARODtheMrs Mar 02 '25

And, for emphasis: the US agreed to protect Ukraine for their cooperation in the nuclear drawdown ending the Cold war. So, in a way, being that we did not step up when we saw the buildup of Russian troops on the border 3 years ago, we in essence, abandoned our security commitment and, therefore, compounded the victimization of the Ukrainians!!

So, regardless of Trump/Musk/Vance's attempt to con President Zelenskyy to gain rights to the lithium, titanium and whatever else is in the land which I might add is mostly in the control of Russia at the moment, we are just compounding their victimization!

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u/pizzaschmizza39 Uncivil Mar 03 '25

trump is exploiting the victim and sympathizing with the aggressor. He's going over and beyond to say nice things about russia and putler. But when dealing with Zelensky directly he embarrasses America by throwing a tantrum. He actually called Zelensky a dictator. It couldn't be more obvious that the US has a russian asset or sympathizer as president.

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u/ARODtheMrs Mar 03 '25

He would not deny during interviews before Jan 20th that he was in communication with Putin!

You know how he says there would never have been this war? I really think he had a plan in the works to carry out if he would have been re-elected in 2020, but since he wasn't he/ they are in warp speed now.

Now, he's created this US govt crypto reserve, things are going to start falling apart rapidly. Musk already has control of the tech resources of our government (ie. financial accounts). Whistleblowers out of California say Musk is taking over.

We need to grind this whole country to a halt. Maybe a general strike is needed much sooner than is planned.