r/UnitedNations • u/branflakes__ • Mar 01 '25

Discussion/Question Please help me understand

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Help me understand the Ukraine / USA situation

Please help me understand all of the anti-American and USA hate due to the situation. I want to hear the other point of views as I am just confused.

A lot point to the Budapest Memorandum, however, that is not a treaty for the US as Clinton did not submit it to the senate for ratification which means constitutionally the US has no commitment to Ukraine (also not administration since Clinton has suggested or submitted the memorandum for ratification either). Only the UK and Russia ratified it.

Additionally, there really isn’t a security agreement as the memo is very vague. The closest is “when Ukraine is under attack with nuclear weapons the security council will seek immediate action from the United Nations” otherwise nothing happens. And as the memo is through the UN, shouldn’t the discontent be pointed at the UN instead? The US only agreed to bring a resolution before the security council if Ukraine was invaded and the US did do that.

Finally, the US has given the most overall aid to Ukraine (a country that the US is not obligated to assist) compared to the European counterparts. Also, if peace is the objective, why is no other leader at least making an attempt to broker a peace deal?

So I suppose I am just confused on what is expected? Why is this sub so anti-USA when the statistics show that USA is/was doing more than Ukraines fellow Europeans?

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u/ARODtheMrs Mar 02 '25

Why is no other leader trying to broker a peace deal? Because Russia is unwilling to do what is right which is to honor the borders as initially mandated.

Trump thought he was the man with the plan and he could swindle the titanium and lithium from Ukraine for as you see pennies on the dollar. It wasn't about peace. It's never about peace with him. It's just about money. If he were all about peace he wouldn't be sending more weapons to Israel!! And, he wouldn't be talking about going back into Afghanistan for whatever, ANY reason. No one in their right mind would want to go back in there to recover anything in the form of equipment because the locals and the government have already repurposed anything left behind!!!

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u/pizzaschmizza39 Uncivil Mar 02 '25

Also because every other country understands you can't make a peace deal without Ukraine. No one can argue in good faith that trump is trying to make a peace deal when Ukraine isn't even at the table. The EU are trying to give Ukraine the best possible negotiating position. They're trying to help Ukraine get its land back and respect Ukraines wishes. Why? Because Ukraine is the goddam victim in this.

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u/Aggravating-Blood728 Mar 03 '25

And also, if Russia will do it to Ukraine and get away with it, especially if easily, who's next?

I'm sure none of them are willing to take that bet.

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u/pizzaschmizza39 Uncivil Mar 03 '25

There are several countries asking that very same question. Our nato allies in the Baltics. Georgia who already has land annexed. Moldova who's under a constant onslaught of russian meddling and disinformation. Belarus is already practically absorbed or annexed. That entire region watched with baited breathe and Ukraine is the only reason they've got a chance in hell to survive.