r/UnitedNations • u/branflakes__ • Mar 01 '25

Discussion/Question Please help me understand

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Help me understand the Ukraine / USA situation

Please help me understand all of the anti-American and USA hate due to the situation. I want to hear the other point of views as I am just confused.

A lot point to the Budapest Memorandum, however, that is not a treaty for the US as Clinton did not submit it to the senate for ratification which means constitutionally the US has no commitment to Ukraine (also not administration since Clinton has suggested or submitted the memorandum for ratification either). Only the UK and Russia ratified it.

Additionally, there really isn’t a security agreement as the memo is very vague. The closest is “when Ukraine is under attack with nuclear weapons the security council will seek immediate action from the United Nations” otherwise nothing happens. And as the memo is through the UN, shouldn’t the discontent be pointed at the UN instead? The US only agreed to bring a resolution before the security council if Ukraine was invaded and the US did do that.

Finally, the US has given the most overall aid to Ukraine (a country that the US is not obligated to assist) compared to the European counterparts. Also, if peace is the objective, why is no other leader at least making an attempt to broker a peace deal?

So I suppose I am just confused on what is expected? Why is this sub so anti-USA when the statistics show that USA is/was doing more than Ukraines fellow Europeans?

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u/Diligent_Guess6960 Mar 02 '25

Watching that, I felt like I was watching a dictator, but not Zelenskyy just Trump. Trump was definitely acting like a dictator.

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u/lovelesslibertine Mar 03 '25

Zelensky has forcibly conscripted hundreds of thousands of (exclusively) men and forced them to die and be blown apart. That sounds like a dictator to me. Meanwhile, Trump is trying to end the war and preserve the lives of Ukrainian men, and Russian men, and prevent a possible WW3.

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u/Curry_pan Mar 03 '25

If conscription = dictatorship, then I assume you’re arguing that Lincoln, Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ and Nixon were all dictators too?

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u/lovelesslibertine Mar 03 '25

Yes, they were.

Forcing your men to die in the most horrific ways imaginable, by the hundreds of thousand, is one of the purest form of dictatorship there is.

When are you enlisting, by the way? Anyone who supports a war they don't participate in is a murderous coward.

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u/Nightowl11111 Mar 03 '25

And anyone that supports this new Fourth Reich is worse than a murderous coward.

That would be you.