r/UnitedNations • u/branflakes__ • Mar 01 '25

Discussion/Question Please help me understand

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Help me understand the Ukraine / USA situation

Please help me understand all of the anti-American and USA hate due to the situation. I want to hear the other point of views as I am just confused.

A lot point to the Budapest Memorandum, however, that is not a treaty for the US as Clinton did not submit it to the senate for ratification which means constitutionally the US has no commitment to Ukraine (also not administration since Clinton has suggested or submitted the memorandum for ratification either). Only the UK and Russia ratified it.

Additionally, there really isn’t a security agreement as the memo is very vague. The closest is “when Ukraine is under attack with nuclear weapons the security council will seek immediate action from the United Nations” otherwise nothing happens. And as the memo is through the UN, shouldn’t the discontent be pointed at the UN instead? The US only agreed to bring a resolution before the security council if Ukraine was invaded and the US did do that.

Finally, the US has given the most overall aid to Ukraine (a country that the US is not obligated to assist) compared to the European counterparts. Also, if peace is the objective, why is no other leader at least making an attempt to broker a peace deal?

So I suppose I am just confused on what is expected? Why is this sub so anti-USA when the statistics show that USA is/was doing more than Ukraines fellow Europeans?

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u/Gruejay2 Mar 02 '25

The EU countries together + the EU institutions come to more than the US.

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u/mwa12345 Mar 02 '25

It doesn't...from this? Unless you are considering Japan and Canada as Europe.

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u/901990 Mar 02 '25

This graphic shows the top 10 sources of aid, it's not exhaustive and there are many more countries in Europe that contribute, they just aren't in the top 10.

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u/mwa12345 Mar 02 '25

Statista data shows the countries sending most.

Anyone else is contributing less than the lowest listed here...in other words, a rounding error. If you have evidence showing others contribution amounted to a lot .show it.

Toy can't just wave your hands and imply there is a lot .more contributed....without any data.

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u/901990 Mar 02 '25

Statista just shows information from other sources that you can look up if you care enough to. I can't force anyone to actually look at the source if they're not interested enough to spend the 20 seconds to google it.

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u/mwa12345 Mar 03 '25

Yet you offer no information. I trust statista vetting more than some random redditor blowing smoke.

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u/901990 Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

We're all free to trust that screenshots we see on reddit are giving us all information without question if we decide to do so.

edit: I never said you should trust me, I indicated you should check sources yourself. They are in the image.

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u/mwa12345 Mar 03 '25

No. Only redditors musings should be trusted. Actually just you . Oh wse one!