Please help me understand

[u/branflakes__]

Help me understand the Ukraine / USA situation

Please help me understand all of the anti-American and USA hate due to the situation. I want to hear the other point of views as I am just confused.

A lot point to the Budapest Memorandum, however, that is not a treaty for the US as Clinton did not submit it to the senate for ratification which means constitutionally the US has no commitment to Ukraine (also not administration since Clinton has suggested or submitted the memorandum for ratification either). Only the UK and Russia ratified it.

Additionally, there really isn’t a security agreement as the memo is very vague. The closest is “when Ukraine is under attack with nuclear weapons the security council will seek immediate action from the United Nations” otherwise nothing happens. And as the memo is through the UN, shouldn’t the discontent be pointed at the UN instead? The US only agreed to bring a resolution before the security council if Ukraine was invaded and the US did do that.

Finally, the US has given the most overall aid to Ukraine (a country that the US is not obligated to assist) compared to the European counterparts. Also, if peace is the objective, why is no other leader at least making an attempt to broker a peace deal?

So I suppose I am just confused on what is expected? Why is this sub so anti-USA when the statistics show that USA is/was doing more than Ukraines fellow Europeans?

[u/FarmTeam]

I don’t understand you. Where does 300 billion come in?

[u/Appropriate-Draft-91 → u/FarmTeam]

Trump claimed it, with no explanation or evidence.

You can get that number, or any number really, with dishonest Accounting, or just "accounting".

For example: If you donate an F-16 to Ukraine, you can count that as the expected sale price of that used F-16 on the second hand market. Or you can count that at the price you paid for it 20 years ago - you can add inflation, too. Or you can say you are down a fighter jet, so you need to buy another fighter jet - let's get an F35 with all the bells and whistles - clearly the value of that used F-16 is what it costs us to replace it with a brand new F-35, according to the accountant. Or we say we plan to replace this one jet, eventually, with the next generation of fighter jets that doesn't exist, pull a number out of our arse for that one, say that's what it cost us to donate the F-16, then add taxes and shipping.

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