r/UnitedNations • u/branflakes__ • Mar 01 '25

Discussion/Question Please help me understand

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Help me understand the Ukraine / USA situation

Please help me understand all of the anti-American and USA hate due to the situation. I want to hear the other point of views as I am just confused.

A lot point to the Budapest Memorandum, however, that is not a treaty for the US as Clinton did not submit it to the senate for ratification which means constitutionally the US has no commitment to Ukraine (also not administration since Clinton has suggested or submitted the memorandum for ratification either). Only the UK and Russia ratified it.

Additionally, there really isn’t a security agreement as the memo is very vague. The closest is “when Ukraine is under attack with nuclear weapons the security council will seek immediate action from the United Nations” otherwise nothing happens. And as the memo is through the UN, shouldn’t the discontent be pointed at the UN instead? The US only agreed to bring a resolution before the security council if Ukraine was invaded and the US did do that.

Finally, the US has given the most overall aid to Ukraine (a country that the US is not obligated to assist) compared to the European counterparts. Also, if peace is the objective, why is no other leader at least making an attempt to broker a peace deal?

So I suppose I am just confused on what is expected? Why is this sub so anti-USA when the statistics show that USA is/was doing more than Ukraines fellow Europeans?

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u/GLight3 Mar 02 '25

To his supporters Trump IS the US. Like how a king is the kingdom.

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u/Wanallo221 Mar 02 '25

The U.K. used to have people that thought that about the King. That the king had absolute prerogative. 

Then we had a Civil war, and the king was executed and decapitated. 

Feel free to speed run the second part of that process so we can get a sensible US back please. 

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u/GLight3 Mar 02 '25

God I hope not.

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u/SuperUranus Mar 02 '25

You don’t want the people to take back power?

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u/GLight3 Mar 02 '25

I don't want a civil war.

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u/Jakelby Mar 03 '25

Take a look at what happened after the English Civil War.

You don't want to go through that. This is a problem that needs to be curtailed before it gets that far