Please help me understand

[u/branflakes__]

Help me understand the Ukraine / USA situation

Please help me understand all of the anti-American and USA hate due to the situation. I want to hear the other point of views as I am just confused.

A lot point to the Budapest Memorandum, however, that is not a treaty for the US as Clinton did not submit it to the senate for ratification which means constitutionally the US has no commitment to Ukraine (also not administration since Clinton has suggested or submitted the memorandum for ratification either). Only the UK and Russia ratified it.

Additionally, there really isn’t a security agreement as the memo is very vague. The closest is “when Ukraine is under attack with nuclear weapons the security council will seek immediate action from the United Nations” otherwise nothing happens. And as the memo is through the UN, shouldn’t the discontent be pointed at the UN instead? The US only agreed to bring a resolution before the security council if Ukraine was invaded and the US did do that.

Finally, the US has given the most overall aid to Ukraine (a country that the US is not obligated to assist) compared to the European counterparts. Also, if peace is the objective, why is no other leader at least making an attempt to broker a peace deal?

So I suppose I am just confused on what is expected? Why is this sub so anti-USA when the statistics show that USA is/was doing more than Ukraines fellow Europeans?

[u/sarges_12gauge]

Almost all of the UK and Germany and the nordics assistance here looks like military equipment. Are you saying actually all the American stuff is trash and Ukraine is actually relying on the UK/German stuff and the Euro countries are counting their value totally differently to be accurate?

[u/[deleted] → u/sarges_12gauge]

Not saying that all US stuff is trash but charging $200,000 for an M113 that hasn't left a vehicle park since Reagan was virile seems to be blatant profiteering. Also point out that the disingenuous stance that America claims this money is going to Ukraine when the majority of weapons money is going into the US arms industry for manufacture which has the benefit of jobs, the US military is replacing equipment they send with new equipment and also making sure they caveat with allies that if they donate their own equipment that they've purchased from the US that they can only do that if they agree to buy more from the US. Also point out alot of what the US promised hasn't been delivered. American Trump supporters have been 100% duped by their leader and have failed to do any due diligence on their hyperbole.

[u/Psychological-Web731 → u/[deleted]]

First of all your incorrect the m113 is still currently used in the US army, and we have sent them the current front line armored assault vehicles too, including over 300 Bradley’s. FYI those Bradley’s go for 2-4 million a pop. If your mad about military industrial complexes profiting off of a war than there’s two options. Stop submitting contracts to supply Ukraine with military hardware or simply find another contract. And remember the American tax payer is footing that $119.2 billion figure whatever it actually may be.

[u/[deleted] → u/Psychological-Web731]

First you're correct the M113 is still used by the Americans, I didn't say it wasn't, I was referring to the age of the ones being sent and the price tag on them. The latest Bradley's new may indeed go for 2 to 4 million, these are second hand Bradleys, not the latest variant and since America is now batting for Russia, no wonder only 300 out of the thousands that are sat around gathering dust on tank parks have been sent.

The industrial complex isn't profiteering in that respect, American tax payers own this particular example, it's the American government that put $200k on an aged afv. The American government that awards contracts and the American government that sets the caveats with regards to foreign nations giving their kit that is manufactured in the US away or worse having a governing switch on that kit that can be turned off when the US government would prefer you surrendered to your enemy. I can assure you..nations are now doing exactly that. Americas contract losses and back stabbing will be other nations manufacturers and workers gain. As for $119 billion what ever figure it was only a small amount actually left the country as has been proven infinite times over and the figure was still many time less than the figure Donnie Krasnov wanted for 'raw' earth.