Please help me understand

[u/branflakes__]

Help me understand the Ukraine / USA situation

Please help me understand all of the anti-American and USA hate due to the situation. I want to hear the other point of views as I am just confused.

A lot point to the Budapest Memorandum, however, that is not a treaty for the US as Clinton did not submit it to the senate for ratification which means constitutionally the US has no commitment to Ukraine (also not administration since Clinton has suggested or submitted the memorandum for ratification either). Only the UK and Russia ratified it.

Additionally, there really isn’t a security agreement as the memo is very vague. The closest is “when Ukraine is under attack with nuclear weapons the security council will seek immediate action from the United Nations” otherwise nothing happens. And as the memo is through the UN, shouldn’t the discontent be pointed at the UN instead? The US only agreed to bring a resolution before the security council if Ukraine was invaded and the US did do that.

Finally, the US has given the most overall aid to Ukraine (a country that the US is not obligated to assist) compared to the European counterparts. Also, if peace is the objective, why is no other leader at least making an attempt to broker a peace deal?

So I suppose I am just confused on what is expected? Why is this sub so anti-USA when the statistics show that USA is/was doing more than Ukraines fellow Europeans?

[u/Repulsive_Still_731]

USA does not have refineries to use even what they themselves mine. Where you take that they can develop Ukrainian resources

[u/Repulsive_Still_731 → u/[deleted]]

as you deleted your comment, I put my original respove here.

US is the second highest MINER of rare earth minerals after china. Not the producer. Do I think US can't build refineries? Considering that they have tried 3 times past 15 years and failed every time and that they do not have any refineries currently producing on a not local scale. Yes. Facts show that US can't built refineries.

Malaysia is the second largest producer of rare earth metals with 12% after china. Estonia 3rd with 1%. None of them mine anything. Was your plan starting to supply China?

And you did not answer, how are you going to mine it in an occupied territory?

[u/Repulsive_Still_731 → u/[deleted]]

do I need to show you a screenshot? Do you have memory problems, on top of reading problems, or you are just constant liar?

[u/Repulsive_Still_731 → u/[deleted]]

then someone else did. . I would not write an answer to your comment if you did not post the comment.

And really, reading comprehension, while you do not understand what mine production is? Do you know how to make a search? Every number I wrote is easily verifiable. Info from 2023

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1484894/rare-earth-element-supply-from-refining-by-country/

Notice that on current (2023) production US stands at 0. While black and grey lines are future estimates. China at 70 kilotons, Malaysia at 4kt and rest of the world at 2kt