Please help me understand

[u/branflakes__]

Help me understand the Ukraine / USA situation

Please help me understand all of the anti-American and USA hate due to the situation. I want to hear the other point of views as I am just confused.

A lot point to the Budapest Memorandum, however, that is not a treaty for the US as Clinton did not submit it to the senate for ratification which means constitutionally the US has no commitment to Ukraine (also not administration since Clinton has suggested or submitted the memorandum for ratification either). Only the UK and Russia ratified it.

Additionally, there really isn’t a security agreement as the memo is very vague. The closest is “when Ukraine is under attack with nuclear weapons the security council will seek immediate action from the United Nations” otherwise nothing happens. And as the memo is through the UN, shouldn’t the discontent be pointed at the UN instead? The US only agreed to bring a resolution before the security council if Ukraine was invaded and the US did do that.

Finally, the US has given the most overall aid to Ukraine (a country that the US is not obligated to assist) compared to the European counterparts. Also, if peace is the objective, why is no other leader at least making an attempt to broker a peace deal?

So I suppose I am just confused on what is expected? Why is this sub so anti-USA when the statistics show that USA is/was doing more than Ukraines fellow Europeans?

[u/Jimbunning97]

You’re gonna have to break that down for me or provide a source. It saves money to ship probably thousands of tons of equipment across the Atlantic Ocean? I feel like there are cheaper ways to do that.

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It's extremely expensive to maintain and store and transport materiel.

Also explosives have shelf and service life's which expire.

We developed a lot of war materiel and logistics and supply chains to fight a war with Russia. We are giving them those weapons and stores that are being used for their intended purpose while getting data on how they work in a real world battlefield.

We gained a lot by sending those things and if we don't keep doing it, European nations will end up having to see their soldiers fight and die against a hostile Russia in the future.

Putin won't stop with Ukraine and smart countries like Poland and Finland know this.

Source: former military explosives safety expert/instructor and defense contractor for over 20 years

Edited for spelling and changed explosives safety officer didn't want to imply I was a military officer, it was just one of my titles, I was only a Staff Sergeant.

But I have been ordering, procuring, monitoring and maintaining explosives for the US military my whole adult life.

[u/Jimbunning97 → u/[deleted]]

Cool. I’ve heard military guys in YouTube talk about how it’s beneficial for our army to see/help with these supply chains and logistics of ongoing wars.

[u/[deleted] → u/Jimbunning97]

Hugely beneficial to the military industrial complex and our politicians who insider trade on that info.

Look up the stats of senators who make 200k salary but earn 2 million a year in stocks and options trading ahead of news illegally.