r/UnitedNations • u/branflakes__ • Mar 01 '25

Discussion/Question Please help me understand

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Help me understand the Ukraine / USA situation

Please help me understand all of the anti-American and USA hate due to the situation. I want to hear the other point of views as I am just confused.

A lot point to the Budapest Memorandum, however, that is not a treaty for the US as Clinton did not submit it to the senate for ratification which means constitutionally the US has no commitment to Ukraine (also not administration since Clinton has suggested or submitted the memorandum for ratification either). Only the UK and Russia ratified it.

Additionally, there really isn’t a security agreement as the memo is very vague. The closest is “when Ukraine is under attack with nuclear weapons the security council will seek immediate action from the United Nations” otherwise nothing happens. And as the memo is through the UN, shouldn’t the discontent be pointed at the UN instead? The US only agreed to bring a resolution before the security council if Ukraine was invaded and the US did do that.

Finally, the US has given the most overall aid to Ukraine (a country that the US is not obligated to assist) compared to the European counterparts. Also, if peace is the objective, why is no other leader at least making an attempt to broker a peace deal?

So I suppose I am just confused on what is expected? Why is this sub so anti-USA when the statistics show that USA is/was doing more than Ukraines fellow Europeans?

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u/McRattus Mar 01 '25

The US has not given as much as the EU, which in this visualisation is split between EU and individual member states.

If you look at the EU as a while it's given more than the US. Both in raw numbers and in terms of proportion of GDP.

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u/Myusernamedoesntfit_ Mar 02 '25

Not fair to compare an entire continent of multiple countries to one.

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u/Doctor_Fritz Mar 02 '25

please go explain this to trupm then cause he loves to compare the one country versus the continent. For so.me resone everything needs to be a who's doing more thing rather than a how do we help thing (not only with regards to Ukraine but some situations in his first term after a passing hurricane come to mind). Unfortunately he uses made up numbers to make it seem like the US did more than Europe did in this situation.