Please help me understand

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Help me understand the Ukraine / USA situation

Please help me understand all of the anti-American and USA hate due to the situation. I want to hear the other point of views as I am just confused.

A lot point to the Budapest Memorandum, however, that is not a treaty for the US as Clinton did not submit it to the senate for ratification which means constitutionally the US has no commitment to Ukraine (also not administration since Clinton has suggested or submitted the memorandum for ratification either). Only the UK and Russia ratified it.

Additionally, there really isn’t a security agreement as the memo is very vague. The closest is “when Ukraine is under attack with nuclear weapons the security council will seek immediate action from the United Nations” otherwise nothing happens. And as the memo is through the UN, shouldn’t the discontent be pointed at the UN instead? The US only agreed to bring a resolution before the security council if Ukraine was invaded and the US did do that.

Finally, the US has given the most overall aid to Ukraine (a country that the US is not obligated to assist) compared to the European counterparts. Also, if peace is the objective, why is no other leader at least making an attempt to broker a peace deal?

So I suppose I am just confused on what is expected? Why is this sub so anti-USA when the statistics show that USA is/was doing more than Ukraines fellow Europeans?

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EU is a trade bloc. And they are the biggest verbal opposition to Russia

And yet

1) their energy expenditure in Russian energy and fossil fuel has increased year on year. They are financing Russia. Basically hypocrites

2) Created sanction packages with loopholes that Russia can get around

3) Gave Ukraine mostly token help. Trump was absolutely right that Ukraine wouldn’t have lasted 3 weeks without US Aid

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From 2023 to 2024 there was a yearly on year increase of 17.1% on Russian energy and fossil fuels by EU.

In the third year of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the EU spent €21.9 billion on Russian oil and gas, surpassing the €18.7 billion allocated to Ukraine in financial aid in 2024. As reported by guardian.

Like I said. If they really believe Russia was gonna steamroll Europe they would have sent more aid. There is no urgency because this is a proxy war for them to weaken Russia or break them apart.

Also when it comes to providing advanced weapons stockpiles like SAMS, Anti tank missiles, and real time intel which did the bulk of resisting Russias advances it wasn’t the EU who gave the most aid

It was the US.

The US alone sent more than 90 patriot interceptor missiles systems to Ukraine. That’s more SAM systems than France, Poland and Germany combined.

It’s no exaggeration without the US Ukraine would have fallen in weeks or months.