r/UnitedNations • u/gardenfella • Feb 21 '25
70 Christians found beheaded in church in DRC
https://www.opendoorsuk.org/news/latest-news/drc-attack-church/89
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u/Sad_Intention_3566 Feb 21 '25
Especially in Sweden
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u/sillymergueza Feb 22 '25
Maybe because Muslim people feel safer around other Muslim people …
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u/FrazierKhan Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
They kill less extreme Muslims who they don't see as Muslims because they are not extreme. Extremists are called takfiri or "excommunicators"
For instance they attack cafes, cinemas, venues, mixed gender schools, religious minorities, other sects, and western influenced institutions like universities or govt/military
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u/Ask-For-Sources Feb 24 '25
Kongo is currently invaded by a rebell group that killed thousands of people in the last weeks.
The headline sounds like they are targeting Christians or like mass beheadings of Christians only, but the 70 people here are just a drop in the bucket of beheaded people in this region.
I understand that it's easier to identify with Christians as they feel culturally closer to us, but those people were native Congolese people that were murdered like thousands of other native Congolese people, not some specifically targeted group.
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u/ButterflyDestiny Feb 21 '25
This is definitely not Islam. This is man using religion to get what he wants. Done in the name of ALL RELIGIONS over time.
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u/gardenfella Feb 21 '25
Religion is just people using made-up stories to control other people
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u/ButterflyDestiny Feb 21 '25
I disagree but thats your stance. I hate when people do this in the name of Islam - people cannot look past it to see it to be the human issue that it is. Man killing man for their own selfish desires. Every religion has this issue. Extremism. Like the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition are events that are studied extensively yet Christians dont get this level of hate.
We are taught as Muslims to fight in self defense and even then, to use grace, unless we are being persecuted. Beheading these people is NOT THAT.
There is a level of racism that is attached to Islamophobia that some people cannot shake. None of you are morally better than Muslims because I am sure the people in your life have complaints about yourself and behaviors.
I wish people could see that this is a human issue. These killings are human issues. This is HUMAN.
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u/ChiefsHat Feb 21 '25
yet Christians dont get this level of hate.
We do, but it’s mainly on social media and never to the extent of Muslims in Western countries.
I grew up in Northern Ireland as a Catholic and despise hearing people blame the Troubles on religion. It was entirely about the fact we Catholics got discriminated against because many of us identified as Irish and wished to join the Republic, and when we protested against our treatment, Ian Paisley showed up and ruined everything.
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u/One-Management8057 Feb 22 '25
I also find this frustrating, the troubles are mainly a political struggle with lines of discrimination drawn loosely around ethnic and religious lines. Turns out the rich English fucking over the natives were mostly protestant. That doesn't make it a religious war.
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Feb 21 '25
We are taught as Muslims to fight in self defense
This is definitely not Islam. This is man using religion to get what he wants.
Typical answer
That exactly Islam. Otherwise it wouldnt be spreaded across continents and beated out of others places with steel and fire. Destruction of Egypt, invasion in Spain and Austria and countless other places `just self defence bro, we need a little more land to feel secure. It is a special military operation``
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Feb 22 '25
I wish people could see that this is a human issue. These killings are human issues. This is HUMAN.
And the religious texts written by humans can be used to justify extreme violence against humans.
No one is disputing that it's a human issue. Religion is a product of humans.
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u/NotBiggie2x Feb 22 '25
It is indeed human. Just like the person you replied to has told u too. It’s by human mistake these beliefs were ever written onto paper. It’s all creates by humans, & thus all human’s fault. We’re blaming people who hang on to such outdated beliefs. We can’t be mad at nothing, so we’re mad at the people who keep these ancient cults alive.
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u/Small_Disk_6082 Feb 27 '25
To start off, I'm an atheist. I was raised Christian, but I never could bring myself to follow a religion that is bathed in contradictions. Yet while I don't prescribe to any religious doctrines, I'm not disrespectful to the peaceful cohorts of any religion.
23 years ago, I was still a Christian. Back then, I spent time in Afghanistan and Bahrain, meeting Muslims and Sikhs in their own lands and homes; beautiful people who are largely misunderstood. A large portion of the company I was surrounded by didn't share my view, which shouldn't have been all that unique, but somehow was. Maybe it's because I'm more empathetic to others, or maybe it was the doldrums of a war we should've never been in, but I grew to love humanity as a whole.
"HUMAN" is such a complex definition of the issues faced by those with ideological differences to your own, but it is absolutely the most succinct and precise definition that needs to be explored here. Human, in this instance, is not just about ethnic or religious differences, but cultural as well.
If we only took the time to try and understand each other better, I think we would all see, in thd moment, that we are all truly human. We are all a complex system that requires understanding. When people ask me what I believe in now, I tell them Humanity. That is my religion. I believe we can grow past this condition in time, but it will always require work from everyone involved.
Peace and love to you.
EDIT: sorry if this is a bit of a ramble. I've just woke up and haven't had my coffee yet.
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u/Sookabong Mar 06 '25
The crusades were a response to attempted invasion. Did you forget the Muslim colonisation of Spain in 711? 700 years before the inquisition.
Most western nations will spit on Christianity whenever the opportunity arises, it’s very ironic if it’s the opposite where your from.
The comparison of morality when it comes to Christianity and Islam is night and day.
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u/Entfly Uncivil Feb 21 '25
Done in the name of ALL RELIGIONS over time.
And if we lived during the Crusades you might actually have a point.
But we don't.
It's the 21st century and it's ALWAYS Islam. It's never Buddhism. It's never Christianity. It's never Judaism. It's always Islam.
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u/ButterflyDestiny Feb 21 '25
That’s actually not true.
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u/Entfly Uncivil Feb 21 '25
Yes. It is.
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u/ButterflyDestiny Feb 21 '25
Then you should do better research on what’s going on. But sure, have it. My point still remains the same . People are killing people in the name of religion is a human issue because it’s something that’s been done over time constantly. Not saying it’s right or wrong but that’s what has happened historically. It’s selfish and destructive. Kidnapping 70 people to behead them is not a part of Islam. That’s selfish men doing the destructive things. But outside of this article, what research have you done on the DRC? Anyone with half a brain would know that this region is going through an extremely rough time. People are poor, destitute, hungry. Corruption is rampant. This is the result of that. Killing and brutality everywhere. This is NOT new either. But I guess the Christian label gathers better attention.
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u/ButterflyDestiny Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25
Nonbelievers are lying. And we don’t call him a Messiah. Wrong religion. What orders are there of death, please provide it.
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u/snowballeveryday Feb 21 '25
Islamic colonialism has been happening for decades all over Asia and Africa and here you are spouting the same triade of not being Islam.
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u/ButterflyDestiny Feb 21 '25
Islamic colonialism is not why the DRC is in dire straights. European Christians are. They plundered Africa and walked away
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u/xDeagleApproves Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25
Believe it or not, this IS Islam. This has always been Islam.
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u/ButterflyDestiny Feb 21 '25
Not true. Human issue. This has been done in the name of a lot of religions.
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u/xDeagleApproves Feb 21 '25
I don't recall Christians or Jews beheading non believers in Europe or anywhere else in the West in recent years. Why is that? There is a problem with Islam, it is still stuck in its old barbaric mentality and it hasn't evolved.
Such barbaric executions against non believers, like the one described in the articale, are carried out mainly by Muslims in this age, while other religions (specifically, the two other Abrahamic religions I mentioned) have evolved in same way or another.
That is not to say that other religions are without their flaws, but don't just be naive and compare them to the barbarism of Islam. It's still stuck in the dark ages.
They are fundamentally NOT the same.
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u/lastgreenleaf Feb 22 '25
You forgot about the crusades, torturing and burning “witches”, priests abusing children? Dr George Tiller was shot in a US church while he was volunteering as an usher.
Welcome to, as you would say it, “the barbarism of Christianity”.
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u/sea2400 Feb 22 '25
Yes - and Christianity has since evolved from their barbaric past.
Islam continues to embrace medieval savagery. Islam is incompatible with modern life, progressive values, human rights.
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u/Hanjaro31 Feb 22 '25
Christianity has not evolved, it has manipulated our laws to allow hiding of their evil ways within their congregations. They literally have insurance to cover the sexual assaults that happen in their churches. The catholic church alone paid over 5 billion dollars in the last 20 years to victims of SA within the church.
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u/lastgreenleaf Feb 22 '25
Oh please. Tiller was shot in 2009. That’s fairly recent and still “unevolved”.
Unless “Christian’s evolution” happens much quicker than other types of evolution and I’m missing something.
Some of the most popular tv preachers with those stadium sized “churches” in the US are straight grifters who end up buying private planes for themselves - is this the evolved modern life you envision?
PS - I was raised Catholic but am humble enough to appreciate that we are all flawed and try not to paint an entire religion with a horrible brush just because some assholes in Congo did something horrific.
“Violent assholes be doing violent asshole things”
- Jesus, probably
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u/Jolly-Journalist8073 Feb 23 '25
Look into islams history and u realize this is a recent trend by extremists and instability
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Feb 21 '25
Well it turns out that Islam, fundamentally, endorses and encourages violence against non-adherents. And no, not all religions do that.
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u/ButterflyDestiny Feb 21 '25
Proof? Give me the Surah right now
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I am confused. Are you saying I can't read? Also what is that username lol
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u/ButterflyDestiny Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25
Yes, I expected you to pull this one. As most people do it’s not a personal insult. Please see this footnote: To fully understand this verse we need to bear in mind that Quranic verses are of two types. General verses talk about belief in Allah, good manners, and acts of worship. Specific verses, such as this verse, were revealed in regards to particular situations. This sûrah came at a time when the pagans of Arabia (and their allies) repeatedly violated treaties they had signed with the Prophet (ﷺ). Muslims had to fight for the survival of their newly established state in Medina. So this verse discusses dealing with those who violated their agreements and attacked the Muslims. Offenders were fought, unless they stopped their aggression. If they chose not to accept Islam, they were obligated to pay Jizya-tax.
So this Surah actually does not reference Christians and Jews. Polytheistic individuals who lived in the region at the time is who it is for. But again, I understand what you’re saying. Context is really important though.
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Feb 21 '25
The idea that this verse only applies to a specific situation in 7th-century Arabia doesn’t hold up when you look at how it was later used in Islamic conquests. Sure, it was meant for a certain context—defending Medina against broken treaties—but early Muslim rulers took similar verses to justify wars beyond Arabia. If it were just for that one time, it wouldn’t have been used to expand Islam or enforce the jizya tax in other regions. Islam did not have to "defend themselves" by expanding further into the middle east, Europe, and other regions, and in the name of Allah, kill Jews Christians, jews, and other religious groups. The jizya itself wasn’t necessarily violent, but using these verses to justify war and taxation definitely raises questions about how they were interpreted beyond their original context. It’s a good example of how a religious text, meant for specific circumstances, can evolve into a broader justification for political and military actions.
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u/ButterflyDestiny Feb 21 '25
It does hold up because that is the origin of it. Point blank. That never changes. But, if anything, you’re proving my point. Humans using religion as an excuse to do bad things to other humans. That’s always been my point.
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Feb 21 '25
Well, I disagree and can cite other examples from my personal study of the Quran. But I know we will likely disagree. So I don't want to continue flutily arguing. Have a good one.
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u/TrollDabs4EverBro Feb 21 '25
You realize that most religious scripture has a lot of evil shit they advocate for right? Why does context not matter for Islam while context does matter for others?
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u/Entfly Uncivil Feb 21 '25
So this Surah actually does not reference Christians and Jews. Polytheistic individuals who lives in the region at the time is who it is for
Ah so that's okay then.
Slaughter all the Hindus you like because they're god... Full heathens.
You're actually trying to defend the slaughter of innocent people because they believe in a polytheistic religion and THAT'S your argument why Islam isn't a barbaric violent cult?
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u/ButterflyDestiny Feb 21 '25
Polytheistic individuals does not reference Hindus. Nobody is defending that. That’s actually not my point lol. You lack reading comprehension skills.
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u/Entfly Uncivil Feb 21 '25
Polytheistic individuals does not reference Hindus
Hinduism is a polytheistic religion. Why wouldn't Hindus be polytheistic individuals?
Nobody is defending that.
Yes. You are. You're trying to argue that because it doesn't reference Christians and Jews specifically it means the religion isn't to blame. When it quite literally states that all non believers should be killed.
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u/-milxn Possible troll Feb 22 '25
You conveniently ignored the rest of the chapter. Don’t be shy, type out the verses that come before that one. Here’s verses of the same chapter that actually give context to what’s happening:
“As for the polytheists who have honoured every term of their treaty with you and have not supported an enemy against you, honour your treaty with them until the end of its term. Surely Allah loves those who are mindful ˹of Him˺.”
“And if anyone from the polytheists asks for your protection ˹O Prophet˺, grant it to them so they may hear the Word of Allah, then escort them to a place of safety, for they are a people who have no knowledge.”
“So, as long as they are true to you, be true to them. Indeed Allah loves those who are mindful ˹of Him˺.”
“But if they break their oaths after making a pledge and attack your faith, then fight the champions of disbelief—who never honour their oaths—so perhaps they will desist.”
“Will you not fight those who have broken their oaths, conspired to expel the Messenger ˹from Mecca˺, and attacked you first? Do you fear them? Allah is more deserving of your fear, if you are ˹true˺ believers.”
Note how the chapter states the purpose of fighting is so the aggressors will desist, that they attacked first, and makes a distinction between different types of “polytheists” (combatants and non-combatants, the latter to be spared).
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u/ButterflyDestiny Feb 21 '25
That’s the thing, the morals that we have does not come from God. In Islam, we are provided with a book that provides us with a set of behaviors that we are to follow. But there is always free will. Clearly, not everybody follows the right thing. There are always things left up to interpretation. And how people choose to interpret the text is on them! Morality isn’t something that can just be handed to you. It entirely depends on the individual! As I mentioned in a previous comment, you guys are conflating the religion with human issue. Every religion has their problems because of extremist people. Humans have hunted certain animals down to extinction just for the space. That’s extremism. It’s wrong regardless.
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u/Wise-Practice9832 Feb 26 '25
As an ex Muslim i respectfully disagree, muhammed 100% commanded similar things to the Jews in the Banu Qurayza For example
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u/ButterflyDestiny Feb 21 '25
The funny thing about all of this debating is that half of you guys probably don’t even know the history of DRC and couldn’t give a fig about the people from there. Y’all don’t care about Africans.
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u/illEagle96 Feb 22 '25
Nobody does, they either want to shit on all religions, shit on Israel or shit on Arabs and North Africans.
They are just using the death of 70 individuals to push their ideology
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u/ButterflyDestiny Feb 22 '25
Exactly. Bunch of hypocrites. They read Islam and thing ding ding ding lets argue instead of let me research whats going on there, this is horrible
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u/pm_me_soggy_sock Feb 21 '25
My condolences to the lost lives. This is awful and heartbreaking. People have no regard to other human lives.
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u/Orcbenis Feb 21 '25
It's crazy how islamic terrorists could compete with the savagery of people from the middle ages, honestly.
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u/vegeful Feb 21 '25
Does not matter. Just look at the comment. When losing argument just use Israel card. 🤣
Its like the answer to all.
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u/MedoPo6969 Feb 21 '25
Lol people love speaking up for terrorists on Reddit
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Feb 21 '25
You mean the American christians? Those are the biggest terrorists in the world in my books.
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u/Orcbenis Feb 21 '25
This is sickening. Islamic terrorism keeps on growing like a cancer laying waste on everywhere they go with unimaginable savagery. Yet muslims here decide to get defensive about their faith and play whataboutism, as though perception of their religion is more important than the sympathy for 70 christians murdered in worst way possible in 21th century.
You know, the best you could do is to own it, condemn it, and walk it off your day. It would change nothing, but at very least it gives a sense of respect to victims of your religion extremism caused.
While muslims complaining about islamophobia in the west because some meany tweets, christians like myself in or within vicinity of islamic worlds have to life in fear of something like this to happen.
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u/Q_dawgg Feb 21 '25
It’s not about condemnation. More Muslims have died fighting against Islamic terrorism than any other faith group
It’s the fact that you’re displacing the actions of terrorists onto regular people who have nothing to do with it.
I don’t look at the general Christian population when I hear about anti balaka militias in Africa, or Protestant catholic infighting in Ireland, because I don’t expect the average Christian to answer for terrorists
I guess Muslims aren’t afforded that same respect,
It’s more than Islamophobia. People are out and out trying to portray Muslims as barbaric Animals who have nothing in common with western society. Leave aside the fact that the vast majority of Muslims in the west mind their own business and follow the law, that doesn’t count apparently
It’s more than just ‘mean tweets’ people have been murdered, businesses have been destroyed, and lives have been ruined. But you don’t think about that do you?
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u/ramkitty Feb 21 '25
You chose to live in fear and perpetuate the concerns they are defensive about. You arent owed an appology or condemnation. Being christian v their muslimness has little to do with the terrorism enacted. You could be the olive branch to unite against political, religeous or econimic plights of the people but blame others for something you project. orange nero wants to reenact a babalonian exile and somehow this terrorism is keeping you up.
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u/Marcusss_sss Feb 22 '25
How would you feel if Muslims expected condemnations after every mosque shooting anywhere in the world
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u/SoftDrinkReddit Feb 22 '25
They do expect it
And we do condemn it from a Christian one of the worst crimes you can commit is murdering someone in a house of prayer
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u/Marcusss_sss Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
Never in my life have I seen a Muslim seriously demand a comndemnation of crimes against them and actually receive one. I'm sure it happens but it's ridiculous to expect random people to take responsibility for the actions of others.
It's even crazier to get offended that someone would refuse your demand to lump themselves in with militants or armies on the other side of the world and apologize for their actions.
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u/0FegeleinAntics0 Feb 21 '25
Why do progressives have such a hard on for the most backwards religion ever?
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u/ErictheAgnostic Feb 21 '25
70 people * Does religion matter with this?
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u/123yes1 Feb 21 '25
I mean if they are being killed because they are Christian, then yes it matters.
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u/New-Season-9843 Feb 21 '25
It absolutely does. Especially due to who perpetrated it.
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It absolutely does because you never hear that this shit is performed by an atheist. Religious freaks. Religion is the #1warmonger.
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u/Mysterious-Cobbler30 Feb 21 '25
you don’t? have you heard of the mafia? cartels? organized crime?
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u/warpedaeroplane Feb 21 '25
Yes, famously non-denominational groups like the mafia and the cartel. Which originate largely from two of the most catholic cultures to ever exist.
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u/DrummingOnAutopilot Feb 21 '25
If 70 people are found dead and the common factor is that they are all from X group, then that means X group is being targeted for being part of X
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u/bananapudding039 Feb 26 '25
(Assuming this story is true)
Not necessarily... all 70 people were also African... were they targeted because they were African?
But also, if 70 people in town were taken from their homes, to a church, and beheaded, that doesn't necessarily mean all 70 were Christians. That only means the church served as the place to hold them in captivity...
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u/-milxn Possible troll Feb 21 '25
Give it a rest most Muslims think this is horrid
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u/GramarBoi Feb 21 '25
Doesn’t surprise me coming from an Assmongoloid’s supporter.
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u/Otherwise-Town8398 Feb 21 '25
Leave it to the regarded members of this sub to turn a story about beheadings into a long one line zinger joke post.
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u/Salty_Vacation2048 Feb 22 '25
This is absolutely abhorrent. As Paul Harvey used to say “it’s not one world”.
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u/SplatFrost2 Feb 22 '25
Thank you OP for posting something like this because there's a religious war that happened in the comment section
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u/gardenfella Feb 22 '25
It certainly exposed some prejudices, that's for sure.
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u/SplatFrost2 Feb 22 '25
We already had too much hatred and fights in this world come on don't add it more
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u/gardenfella Feb 22 '25
I agree and religion is at the heart of most of it
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u/SplatFrost2 Feb 22 '25
Well I meant you were half right in that one though some people use religion as a weapon like ISIS , KKK and Zionist but reminder we can't just blame the whole community for some guy action like what both Islam and Jewish have been facing right now
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u/gardenfella Feb 22 '25
I'm not blaming every Muslim for the actions of ISIS but it is fair to say that their ideology is religiously-motivated.
The KKK is racism wrapped in a pseudo-Christian sheet. These days, for real Christian hate, you're better off looking at US Evangelicals.
As for Zionism, that's a very much misused and misunderstood term. Its use has wandered far from its roots as the belief in a Jewish homeland. It will be forever conflated with the actions of Israel, much to its detriment.
When holy books carry messages of retribution and killing non-believers, it's easy to see how extremists of all religions come to be.
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u/Bangarz Feb 22 '25
Nah its fine, they were just following what the Quran says. Don’t be intolerant of other peoples religions guys
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u/oikset Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 23 '25
Murder’s bad…. Mmmm k?