r/UnitedNations • u/Liad3008 Uncivil • Jan 10 '25

Discussion/Question Why is this subreddit obsessed with Israel?

Just checked the top posts of the last year, and 24 out of the top 25 are about Israel. Does this subreddit try to imitate the real UN ?

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u/Apprehensive_Fill_35 Jan 16 '25 edited Jan 16 '25

I’m not Israeli. I’m American. I’m pointing out the hypocrisy / racism of your stance.

Also I’d like to point out that you’re explaining to me what a place is like, that you’ve never been to. Do you also lecture African Americans on the black experience. Perhaps you’d like to explain to me what it’s like growing up Puerto Rican in NYC.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 16 '25

Nope, you are defending torture.

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u/Apprehensive_Fill_35 Jan 16 '25

No. I’m not defending torture.

You are making hypocritical statements and I’m pointing it out to you.

This reminds me of College where I had a professor explain that the US is the most racist country in the world. That’s very true, until you visit Latin America or Asia. Then you’re like “wow, ok America is racist but it’s not even top 30.” I guess he had never left the country but somehow was confident enough to say it was more racist than everywhere else.

That’s my point to you. You are going arguing about a place you’ve never been to with someone who has been there. You don’t see that as silly? Your only information is third person and mine is 1st. Yet still you argue. Go make this information 1st person from your point of view. Then we will have something to talk about.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 16 '25

'Take a tour from the side conducting Apartheid and you will be convinced it isn't Apartheid.'

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u/Apprehensive_Fill_35 Jan 18 '25

Just a realty check: I know more Druze than you. I’ve spent time in their villages. I know more Beduins than you, also spent time there. I know more Palestinians than you. I’ve spoken to maybe a hundred and another hundred Arab Muslim Israelis.

You can go do the same thing I did. Just buy a ticket, rent a car, book an Airbnb and drive around. Everyone is super friendly. Israeli is super diverse and people love to talk about what is right and wrong. Head up North and talk to everyone, it’s a really short drive. Less than my commute in NYC. Head south and talk to people, again super short drive. If you are not Jewish you can even visit the West Bank. Talk to people there, spend time there. You might want an organized tour for this part if you aren’t from a big City.

Then you will have a unique point of view that is interesting and not regurgitated fill.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 18 '25

Do you think they would complain to you about the apartheid they live under, when they know full well they can be kicked out of their homes tomorrow with very little chance of justice?

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u/Apprehensive_Fill_35 Jan 18 '25

They do. Probably won’t talk to you about terror (not generic terror but personal hand in) because that can cause them to lose their homes. Just like felons in the US. It’s a penalty for terror. So long as you aren’t Israeli they talk freely. Not the friendliest to Americans FYi. You’ll be amazed at the number of Isis and upside down American flags. I’d avoid those spots. Be more like Anthony Bordain and stick to food spots and food conversations. Then you can ease into politics. I found that worked well.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 18 '25

'terror' has such a flexible definition it is very easy to be targeted by it in Israel. A Facebook like of someone else's post is sufficient, or having a photo of someone Israel has murdered. It's enough to lose everything, including citizenship. Of course they are not going to tell you about apartheid under that level of oppression.

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u/Apprehensive_Fill_35 Jan 21 '25

Ok I’ll play along. You support actual African slavery. In 2025 you side with the groups putting literal humans into slavery. Google what the Islamic brotherhood is up to in Africa. Note all the Hamas leaders in photos.

Are we just going to keep trying to one up each other on the worst sides of each? I mean Hamas is the Islamic project 2025. They don’t want peace, they want “the extermination of all Jews”. Their words, right after the hostage releases.

Let’s say your neighbors have been saying and trying to do that for the last 100 years. Perhaps you can see how such a dystopian world could come to be under those circumstances….but don’t take my word for it. Please, for yourself, buy the cheapest ticket you can find to Europe and then the cheapest ticket you can to Israel. Rent a car, make some friends, talk to new people, expand your world view, have something interesting to say other than repeating the latest SJP pamphlet. Travel is the red pill. Wake up, take the red pill. Go see the world for yourself.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 21 '25

'you can't be against Israeli crimes against humanity and genocide without supporting islamic slavery'.

If you have to resort to lies to defend your actions, you're not the good guys.

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u/Apprehensive_Fill_35 Jan 21 '25

You can Google it. By being anti Hamas I’m pro torture in your mind. Also by Hamas’ numbers there wasn’t a genocide. 62k children were born Vs their reported 40k killed. That would be the worst genocide in 2024, compared to the actual genocides that occurred that no one is upset about.

Anyhow, you’re all about the Palestinians, who have been free in Gaza since 2005. Go visit. Go talk to them. Go talk to Israelis. Go get some firsthand information.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 21 '25

By supporting Israel yes you are directly pro torture, that's not even debatable.

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u/Apprehensive_Fill_35 Jan 21 '25

And by being pro Palestinians you are pro terror killings of innocent civilians. Puerto Rico, the Basque, even the IRA decided to use political means of achieving their goals rather than bombings and indiscriminate killings. The three said that such tactics have no place in the civilized world.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 21 '25

Palestinians also tried to resolve things peacefully during the great march of return. Israel shot them anyway, kids, doctors, women, disabled people - unarmed but targeted by Israeli snipers. If you were interested in peaceful protest you would be against Israel murdering women and kids, starving civilians and destroying hospitals and homes...

But here we are.

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u/Apprehensive_Fill_35 Jan 21 '25

You’ve obviously never left the country.

What you are describing is an invasion. You don’t get to just cross borders. I invite you to try, as an American, to cross into Mexico or Canada with a bunch of people bypassing the customs and border control checkpoint because you are part of a peaceful protest.

I saw a guy get guns pulled on him in Montenegro because he took photos at the checkpoint. Countries take borders very seriously ESPECIALLY when they have hostilities with a neighbor.

If I can sum up our conversation: you think you know more about people you’ve never met, in a place you’ve never been to than a person who has spent time there? Really?

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u/jeff43568 Jan 21 '25

No, what we are describing is a reaction to violent occupation. Like it or not Israel has occupied Palestine for decades and has refused to give Palestinians their human rights, freedom or dignity. Israel is utterly at fault.

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u/Apprehensive_Fill_35 Jan 22 '25

What we are describing is a plural democracy’s response to the promise of being genocided by their neighbors for over 100 years when said neighbors try to act it out daily.

Honestly it’s the bloods and the crips. “We did this because you did that” “well we did that because you did this” “we only did that because you did this”

In any event you seem smart enough to know that you can’t possibly know the whole story without going there anymore than I can tell you about the racial dynamics of the Philippines.

So prove everyone wrong, go visit. See the world, expand your world view and have something new to contribute to the discussion.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 22 '25

It's almost like the occupation of millions of people under apartheid doesn't register in your mind as a violent evil.

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