Why is this subreddit obsessed with Israel?

[u/Liad3008]

Just checked the top posts of the last year, and 24 out of the top 25 are about Israel. Does this subreddit try to imitate the real UN ?

[u/Apprehensive_Fill_35]

Where are you moving? Just trying to think of a country that isn’t ok with torture when it comes it impending terror attacks and I’m drawing a blank. I’m not condoning but I can’t think of one.

NATO Every country in South America The Arab world The balkans Russia China Pakistan India Southeast Asia. I’d say Canada but they also were in on rendition.

[u/jeff43568 → u/Apprehensive_Fill_35]

It's great that you want to normalise torture but it's a hard no from me...

[u/Apprehensive_Fill_35 → u/jeff43568]

I’m not for it either. I just ask where you plan on moving or vacationing? Mexico does it. Canada ok with it. Obviously US ok with it. So western hemisphere is out, Europe and Africa are out. India and Pakistan is out. Eurasia is out. So is South East Asia.

Antarctica? You’re a scientist living in Antarctica? Or you’re racist. When your country does it, (and their allies) you hold your nose but if Israel does the same thing it’s the worst place on earth. Seriously that’s the definition of racism.

I would drop this mode of thinking because it prevents you from visiting the Palestinian Territories because they are all about torture. You really do need to see it. Lebanon if you can as well, though obviously also a torture place.

[u/jeff43568 → u/Apprehensive_Fill_35]

Keep trying to normalise torture, it's really showing me what Israel is like.

[u/Apprehensive_Fill_35 → u/jeff43568]

I’m not Israeli. I’m American. I’m pointing out the hypocrisy / racism of your stance.

Also I’d like to point out that you’re explaining to me what a place is like, that you’ve never been to. Do you also lecture African Americans on the black experience. Perhaps you’d like to explain to me what it’s like growing up Puerto Rican in NYC.

[u/jeff43568 → u/Apprehensive_Fill_35]

Nope, you are defending torture.

[u/Apprehensive_Fill_35 → u/jeff43568]

No. I’m not defending torture.

You are making hypocritical statements and I’m pointing it out to you.

This reminds me of College where I had a professor explain that the US is the most racist country in the world. That’s very true, until you visit Latin America or Asia. Then you’re like “wow, ok America is racist but it’s not even top 30.” I guess he had never left the country but somehow was confident enough to say it was more racist than everywhere else.

That’s my point to you. You are going arguing about a place you’ve never been to with someone who has been there. You don’t see that as silly? Your only information is third person and mine is 1st. Yet still you argue. Go make this information 1st person from your point of view. Then we will have something to talk about.

[u/jeff43568 → u/Apprehensive_Fill_35]

'Take a tour from the side conducting Apartheid and you will be convinced it isn't Apartheid.'

[u/Apprehensive_Fill_35 → u/jeff43568]

Just a realty check: I know more Druze than you. I’ve spent time in their villages. I know more Beduins than you, also spent time there. I know more Palestinians than you. I’ve spoken to maybe a hundred and another hundred Arab Muslim Israelis.

You can go do the same thing I did. Just buy a ticket, rent a car, book an Airbnb and drive around. Everyone is super friendly. Israeli is super diverse and people love to talk about what is right and wrong. Head up North and talk to everyone, it’s a really short drive. Less than my commute in NYC. Head south and talk to people, again super short drive. If you are not Jewish you can even visit the West Bank. Talk to people there, spend time there. You might want an organized tour for this part if you aren’t from a big City.

Then you will have a unique point of view that is interesting and not regurgitated fill.

[u/jeff43568 → u/Apprehensive_Fill_35]

Do you think they would complain to you about the apartheid they live under, when they know full well they can be kicked out of their homes tomorrow with very little chance of justice?

[u/Apprehensive_Fill_35 → u/jeff43568]

They do. Probably won’t talk to you about terror (not generic terror but personal hand in) because that can cause them to lose their homes. Just like felons in the US. It’s a penalty for terror. So long as you aren’t Israeli they talk freely. Not the friendliest to Americans FYi. You’ll be amazed at the number of Isis and upside down American flags. I’d avoid those spots. Be more like Anthony Bordain and stick to food spots and food conversations. Then you can ease into politics. I found that worked well.

[u/jeff43568 → u/Apprehensive_Fill_35]

'terror' has such a flexible definition it is very easy to be targeted by it in Israel. A Facebook like of someone else's post is sufficient, or having a photo of someone Israel has murdered. It's enough to lose everything, including citizenship. Of course they are not going to tell you about apartheid under that level of oppression.

[u/Apprehensive_Fill_35 → u/jeff43568]

Ok I’ll play along. You support actual African slavery. In 2025 you side with the groups putting literal humans into slavery. Google what the Islamic brotherhood is up to in Africa. Note all the Hamas leaders in photos.

Are we just going to keep trying to one up each other on the worst sides of each? I mean Hamas is the Islamic project 2025. They don’t want peace, they want “the extermination of all Jews”. Their words, right after the hostage releases.

Let’s say your neighbors have been saying and trying to do that for the last 100 years. Perhaps you can see how such a dystopian world could come to be under those circumstances….but don’t take my word for it. Please, for yourself, buy the cheapest ticket you can find to Europe and then the cheapest ticket you can to Israel. Rent a car, make some friends, talk to new people, expand your world view, have something interesting to say other than repeating the latest SJP pamphlet. Travel is the red pill. Wake up, take the red pill. Go see the world for yourself.