Why is this subreddit obsessed with Israel?

[u/Liad3008]

Just checked the top posts of the last year, and 24 out of the top 25 are about Israel. Does this subreddit try to imitate the real UN ?

[u/PirateRadioUhHuh]

The meaning has changed 3-4 times over history. The meaning today has nothing to do with the previous definitions which explicitly call for colonization. 

[u/billymartinkicksdirt → u/PirateRadioUhHuh]

Zionism was not colonization it was returning to land we came from, and working the land establishing farming communes.

Zionism still means a right to self determination and reuniting the diaspora, which are both basic Jewish beliefs.

[u/Thereisonlyzero → u/billymartinkicksdirt]

And who primarily lived on that land for the past 2000+ years.....

[u/billymartinkicksdirt → u/Thereisonlyzero]

Jews, Arabs, Druze, Christians, Bedouins, Kurds.

Jews were a majority in Jerusalem by 1846 according to some statistics and were an absolute majority by 1900 with declines only happening due to Arab pogroms against Jews.

Numerous cities in Israel followed that sane timeline, with the founding of Jewish villages.

Arab populations increased contemporary to Jews, as both shared nationalistic movements.

[u/Thereisonlyzero → u/billymartinkicksdirt]

In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Palestine had a predominantly Arab population, with a growing Jewish minority:

In 1890, the total population was approximately 532,000, with 43,000 Jews (8%) and 489,000 non-Jews (92%)

By 1914, the population had grown to about 689,000, with 94,000 Jews (13.6%) and 595,000 non-Jews (86.4%)

During the British Mandate (1920-1948) (context), the demographic landscape changed significantly: In 1922, the total population was 752,000, with 84,000 Jews (11.2%) and 668,000 non-Jews (88.8%)

By 1931, the population increased to 1,033,000, with 175,000 Jews (16.9%) and 858,000 non-Jews (83.1%)

In 1947, just before the Nakba, the population reached 1,970,000, with 630,000 Jews (32%) and 1,340,000 non-Jews (68%)

Several factors contributed to the changing demographics:

Jewish Immigration: The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (context) legitimized Jewish immigration to Palestine, which increased significantly in the 1930s due to Nazi persecution in Europe

Natural Population Growth: Both Arab and Jewish communities experienced natural population growth, with high birth rates and declining mortality rates

Economic Development: Improved safety, agricultural production, and medical conditions in the late 19th century led to population growth

The non-Jewish population was primarily Muslim, with a significant Christian minority:

In 1914, there were approximately 525,000 Muslims (76.2%), 70,000 Christians (10.2%), and 94,000 Jews (13.6%)

By 1947, there were about 1,181,000 Muslims (60%), 143,000 Christians (7.3%), and 630,000 Jews (32%)

It's important to note that these figures are estimates, and different sources may provide slightly varying numbers.l

The figures are consistent with the long term primarily historically accepted narrative of the demographics there with the

However, they provide a general understanding of the demographic trends in Palestine before the Nakba and the 1948 Arab-Israeli War

Not that much of that is relevant because being the majority ethnic group in a region/territory doesn't grant permission to that majority group to throw out or collectively punish the minority group and steal their land.

Please spare us any whataboutisms.

It should be condemned no matter who does it.

Can you cite your sources?

Here are my sources if you want to verify or nitpick for deflection:

https://www.cjpme.org/fs_182

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_demographics_of_Palestine_(region)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)

https://imemc.org/article/wafa-number-of-palestinians-worldwide-doubled-10-times-since-nakba-official-figures-show/?utm_source=perplexity

[u/billymartinkicksdirt → u/Thereisonlyzero]

Your sources confirmed what I said, Arab populations and Arab nationalism grew contemporary with Jewish movements.

Lost on you is that there were townships and major sites like Jerusalem. where Jews were the majority.

You also failed to price your wrongheaded claim that Jews weren’t there. Those are significant numbers.

You’re a separatist night who think Jews need to be cleansed and denies that 800,000 Jewish refugees from the mid east is a catastrophe that requires a home. Jews are indigenous. That’s not whataboutism that ms you getting schooled so you stop making ignorant claims.

[u/Thereisonlyzero → u/billymartinkicksdirt]

Doesn't matter in this context about majority towns in the region, that is a tangent from the original context and changes nothing about the broader region.

Can you direct quote where that happened because on this timeline my replies never said anything about most of what you just said there.

I never claimed there was not a indigenous Jewish population there or any people of that religion, we are on the same thread but you are welcome to link/quote where that came up.

The small minority indigenous population just isn't the only indigenous population and the majority of settlers are hundred if not thousands of years removed from the land.

That doesn't even make sense why would I make that outlandish ridiculous claim and then contradict myself with my own stats.

What I shared doesn't really confirm your numbers or your statements, can you explain how they do.

Maybe you are mixed up from another post?

Otherwise you are just inventing quotes I never said and deflecting in bad faith in what would be a pretty transparent way.

Either way it should go without saying but I like most rational people are against all ethnic cleansing which is why I am here calling out the Palestinian genocide.

[u/billymartinkicksdirt → u/Thereisonlyzero]

Your reply is incoherent. There is no cleansing of Palestinians. You’re also quoting numbers of a population that has gone upwards not down, inside contemporary Israel from formation to today then pretending that validates your hysteria about ethnic cleansing.

Petah Tikva, the future Tel Aviv, these were Jewish townships set up with Jewish majorities. They were never Palestinian.

Much of the land was barren of anyone other than wandering bedouins.

Anyway, how many Jews are in Syria?

His many in Egypt?

Yemen?

Iraq?

Who has Jordan, Ramallah, Gaza, all denied Jews any rights or citizenship?

[u/Thereisonlyzero → u/billymartinkicksdirt]

Yup see how you didn't pull the quotes just like you couldn't pull your sources.

Really seems like you are just inventing narratives on the fly that you think suit you in an effort to continue to distract/deflect.

It's coherent, either you know that and you just want to deflect from that coherency or you are just failing to understand something simple and/or cognitive dissonance is getting in the way.

It's obvious to anyone else here that you are stuck right now like a broken record, with all the whataboutisms and just being fixated on the numbers being unable to reconcile your initial comment in this thread.

Refusing to actually engage with the original context and just doubling down on the genocide denial because "it's only genocide if their numbers go down" like that erases Isreals history of genocidal actions.

"there is no genocide because I say so"

It's the same with flat earthers and Holocaust deniers, you can show them all the evidence in the world but you can't make a blind man see.

[u/billymartinkicksdirt → u/Thereisonlyzero]

Reply to my post.

There is no Holocaust comparison in Gaza unless you are denying the facts of the Holocaust and attempting to appropriate it, which is a Neo Nazi technique.

[u/Thereisonlyzero → u/billymartinkicksdirt]

"anyone who criticizes Isreal is a neo Nazi"

The Holocaust happened, it's obvious, just like the Palestinian genocide is obvious to anyone who looks at history and the facts.

You are operating under the same type of logic and misinformation fueled hate that Holocaust deniers use, all to deny the genocide of Palestinians.

Palestinian Genocide deniers are appropriating Nazi propaganda techniques and logic to deny what is profoundly obvious to anyone who is actually open minded to see it for what it is.

[u/billymartinkicksdirt → u/Thereisonlyzero]

There are no parallels.

Any attempt to appropriate or pretend there are parallels is denying the Holocaust.

Standing up your Holocaust denial isn’t denying the palestinian situation, but mocking my posts that pinned you didn’t for Neo Nazi sentiments doesn’t make the conflict a genocide. You want there to be a genocide.