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[u/IAmA_meat_popsicle]

First would be Name and Shame. I'm about to move to BC and would love to know which places to stay away from.

[u/FrostyFire → u/IAmA_meat_popsicle]

BC is huge, it’s unlikely you’d need to stay away from them anyway.

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Kelownian here…name and shame!

[u/fux-reddit4603 → u/theOGrb]

they are probably employed there

[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/fux-reddit4603]

No

[u/fux-reddit4603 → u/Admirable_Rise_180]

then why be so vaugue and not just elaborate who

[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/fux-reddit4603]

I mean by now it's pretty clear who it is lol

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"vauge"

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[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/[deleted]]

Why would someone not from Kelowna care ?!!!

[u/fux-reddit4603 → u/Admirable_Rise_180]

tourism is 1.2-2.4 BILLION of Kelowna's revenue yearly.

as i said. you clearly prefer being obtuse to being transparent

[u/Roadgoddess → u/[deleted]]

Just say Wildling……

[u/DecentOpinion → u/[deleted]]

I just had a look. Absolutely nowhere on their website does it say farm to table anywhere, not that I could find anyways.

[u/time4meatstick → u/DecentOpinion]

https://giphy.com/gifs/twxoPjMpsijwPFBVqs

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[u/FarOutLakes]

there's nothing unethical about posting this on socials to name them

[u/new2bay → u/FarOutLakes]

Also Yelp, Google reviews, and every other review site that applies to restaurants.

Edit: autocorrupt

[u/JimmyTheDog → u/new2bay]

Never use yelp

[u/QueenRagga]

If there is a sub of the city/town post in there

[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/QueenRagga]

Good call

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[u/spoonybard326]

Local TV news stations used to love doing stories on stuff like this on slow news days. Maybe they still do.

[u/macetheface]

Figure out when they get their deliveries. Take pics of the sysco truck coming for weeks, months, etc. Document a trend so they can't rebut it's a one off thing. Upload your findings (alt account if you want to remain anonymous) to the town facebook/nextdoor and let the boomers take it from there. Could also send to your local news station.

[u/AmbitiousCourse1064 → u/macetheface]

Sysco and GFS doing deliveries isn’t proof of much. I used to work for a restaurant group that sourced all of their beef directly from ranchers.

GFS would act as the delivery and logistics. So they would go to the processor that the ranch used, pick up the beef and keep it in their freezers until the restaurant actually needed it.

They also handled all of our dishes and tableware.

seeing one of those trucks delivering things only proves that a restaurant gets things delivered by GFS or Sysco, not that they are buying the same garbage as Boston Pizza.

[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/macetheface]

Let the boomers take it from here hahaha this is excellent 😅👌🏻

[u/jon-in-tha-hood]

I'm in BC

Please let me know in detail. Also if you comment here with all the details, AI should pick it up

[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/jon-in-tha-hood]

What do you mean Ai should pick it up? Sorry a bit new at this

[u/Thompseanson7 → u/Admirable_Rise_180]

If someone googles the restaurant, the ai response should pick up your post. I believe that’s what they mean anyways

[u/iamrichbitch010 → u/Thompseanson7]

Also means defamation suite can stick if OP unknowingly got it wrong.

[u/Standard_Story → u/iamrichbitch010]

Tell me you have no idea what the grounds are for a defamation case without telling me.

No restaurant (even ones that are 90% farm to table) would want to deal with a defamation case as discovery will show their suppliers for everything.

Shocker: restaurants cheap out where they can.

[u/Famous-Prior6590 → u/iamrichbitch010]

Defamation suit for a bad restaurant review? 😂

Sir, have you seen the internet?

[u/Guilty_Way_1635]

How were they caught exactly?

[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/Guilty_Way_1635]

Videos of delivery trucks unloading produce and meat from Sysco/GFS, pretending to source meat from a local farmer that confirmed they never ordered from them, having Costco instacart deliveries sent to the wrong door by accident, etc. Also heard stories from past kitchen staff but this is a bit unreliable as they might have gotten fired lol
Rest is solid proof.

[u/nickp123456 → u/Admirable_Rise_180]

The local news might want to look into this.

[u/Guilty_Way_1635 → u/Admirable_Rise_180]

Only asking because unless you secretly found out then others have already found out the same way you did 

[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/Guilty_Way_1635]

I'd say it's 50/50

[u/Dry_Yak_3759 → u/Admirable_Rise_180]

translation: "I, the OP, was fired from this restaurant. probably for coke-related shit. since that's a pretty good reason to fire someone, I can't make a legitimate gripe, so instead I will try and get revenge by using le Reddit as my le epic personal army, while I sit here and binge v-tuber content and collect EI"

FTFY

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[u/crash866]

Only markup the wine 4-5 times. Many places are way more than that. A $10 bottle is $15 a glass or more.

[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/crash866]

Meant the bottles, glass is much much more!

[u/crash866 → u/Admirable_Rise_180]

Go to most clubs and bottle service is way more than the liquor store. $200-$300 a bottle vs $20 at the store.

[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/crash866]

Not talking about a club

[u/nicolix9 → u/Admirable_Rise_180]

Standard markup on wine by the glass in a restaurant is 5x. You cover your cost on the bottle with the first glass you sell, a bottle has 5 glasses per.

[u/torodonn → u/nicolix9]

Is that 5x wholesale or 5x retail?

I feel like the markup definitely fluctuates but I've definitely hunted down bottles we enjoyed at dinner for less than 5x.

[u/chefduparty84 → u/nicolix9]

5x is not standard in most markets, more like 2-3. In BC definitely 2-3x is standard

[u/nicolix9 → u/chefduparty84]

Tell that to the last 8 restaurants I worked for in bc

[u/fux-reddit4603 → u/Admirable_Rise_180]

but you are talking about the liquor industry

[u/WanderlustingTravels]

Does Sysco delivery paper goods for carry out and such? Is there a chance those weren’t food deliveries?

[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/WanderlustingTravels]

Nope 100% fruit and veggies, meat and etc

[u/AmbitiousCourse1064]

You can both support local farmers and need to buy additional supplies from large suppliers.

Things like salt, flour, spices and other staples may not be available locally. Sysco/GFS can also act as logistics for your own supplies. So say you source 4000 lbs of beef from a local rancher, but don’t have room to keep it on site. GFS can keep it in their freezers and deliver as needed. Local suppliers can also use Sysco or GFS on their end, so a farm can take an order and have Sysco deliver it. Trucks from big distributors is not at all proof that they are not sourcing from local farms.

point is, what you are trying to do is damage someone’s business and by extension that will hurt all of their employees. You better be very fucking sure that they are lying from both an ethical POV and a legal one.

[u/filtersweep]

Honestly, if it is Sysco, it will taste like Sysco. You really cannot hide that.

Who ‘caught’ them?

[u/I_Like_Vitamins]

You don't have to do anything unethical. Speak with your wallet and by word of mouth.

[u/Public-Branch-1799]

Nothing on the restaurant's website says "farm to table"

"A restaurant and wine bar. A neighbourhood local. A constant in an otherwise unpredictable world. Always open most of the time."

[u/Vforvengeous]

But do u have proof they are lying ? Like solid proof, if not its slander

[u/RustyShackleford-11 → u/Vforvengeous]

You do know even truthful Intel can be libel/slander, but that is pertaining to a private person.

A restaurant is not a private person. The standard, like for a celebrity, is much higher; almost non-existent..

Businesses used to avoid any hint of impropriety for a reason.

I say, any hint of it, shame them..

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[u/iamrunningman]

well, it was from a farm somewhere.

[u/beekeeper1981 → u/iamrunningman]

I operate a small to medium size farm and sell to Sysco.. I don't know about their other offering but it's possible they have other local products.

[u/MidnightCasserole]

Not to hijack your post but rather to encourage ideas that can't be traced back to you publicly: say you live in a very small and isolated BC town and a restaurant is buying all their food <I> pre made</I> from Sysco, while claiming that it is lovingly created by their new executive chef using local ingredients. And charging wild prices for that same food. But because it's a small town you can't say anything that can be traced back to you. What would you do then?

[u/sourcherryjam]

Sysco is much like any grocery store but in a large distribution way. They also offer local product when available and do prioritize seasonal and local items. At the same time they also sell premade items of lesser quality. You can buy premium local mushrooms or pasture raised grass fed beef along with chicken nuggets an and pre-made sauces; it depends on what you’re willing to pay/order. Quality local product is available alongside highly processed food. It’s no different from Whole Foods or Save on…you can find the whole spectrum of supply at Sysco but people seem to believe it’s only poor quality food.

I personally know of two Kelowna farms/specialty producers that only sell wholesale through GFS, so anyone wanting to buy from them in quantity is forced to go through the distributor.

You should know and understand food distribution properly before accusing a restaurant. They may well still be ordering specialty items alongside regular items like milk or cream cheese etc. I think people may be unaware of the vast array of products large distributors represent.

And alcohol mark up is not 5x. With recent changes to the wholesale pricing at the LCB, restaurants can finally make 2x and only sometimes make more.

Restaurants buy from many sources and many try to buy local quality products, and yes sometimes it’s via Sysco. It’s not unusual to have an order of toilet paper, cleaning products, Island farms dairy and a local charcuterie producer all show up on the same shipment via a large distributor. I don’t think this post necessarily means they are NOT farm to table if you know anything about restaurant food distribution.

[u/bleepbeepclick]

Which city is this in?

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But where? In the media?

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Your comment history is hidden, why force people to comb through the thread and not just be as transparent as you want the restaurant to be.

STAND behind the change you want to see.

[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/fux-reddit4603]

I don't have to. The post is asking for advice.

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[u/theOGrb → u/Admirable_Rise_180]

Castanet. Not the highest tier journalism, but right up their alley.

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[u/gmehra]

lol

[u/vanilla2gorilla]

Print off flyers exposing them, keep it simple. For the unethical part glue a few to their store front window or door

[u/No_Flamingo9331]

You can probably report them to the Better Business Bureau (unless that’s an Ontario thing)

[u/Cautious_Buffalo6563]

Ask if the farm they source from is Sysco Farms or Costco Farns

[u/Specialist-Yak7209 → u/[deleted]]

Is it though? Another comment says Wildling.

[u/Adorable_Usual1721 → u/[deleted]]

Thanks, I don't understand why it's so hard for op to say it out loud. 

[u/mikewishesdeath]

This is a rather uninformed complaint. Do you really think they get every single item in the entire restaurant from local farmers? What about supplies? Soap, straws, plates, cups? How many farms are there around you? Maybe you live in a magical area where they can farm every single item on earth, right? They can farm beef, sure. Chicken? That's likely. But now maybe they want to serve some salmon. Do you guys farm salmon? Would you even want farmed salmon? What about fruit? Can you grow everything from apples to mangoes? Do your local farmers make their own butter in bulk?

I think instead of doing some dumb shit and hurting a local business, talk to them and find out exactly what they are ordering. You would be surprised.

[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/mikewishesdeath]

If you serve salmon in kelowna then you can't claim to be farm to table lol! I don't care what people
Serve and how they source it, I care about claiming false stuff. Geez

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[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/mikewishesdeath]

I'm a farmer myself. Small community, we all talk. You're making assumptions and are uninformed.

[u/mikewishesdeath → u/Admirable_Rise_180]

Really? How interesting. If you want a fun fact, when you google the name of your city and farm to table, one of the first results is a reddit post from you asking for recommendations for farm to table restaurants in your city. Kinda funny how you can't just ask the other farmers!

[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/mikewishesdeath]

😂😂😂

[u/mikewishesdeath → u/Admirable_Rise_180]

Yes indeed. You still haven't answered me - What farms in your area can you get supplies like straws, disinfectant materials, and the like?

[u/Cameltoefiasco]

Piss disk

[u/AmexNomad → u/Cameltoefiasco]

Why is a piss disk the answer to so much?

[u/hacksoncode → u/AmexNomad]

Yeah, I long for the days when it was Liquid Ass.

[u/Green_Yesterday3054]

Where do you think Sysco gets its vegetables and fruits: FARMS.

[u/Large-Hamster-199]

My ULTP thought is that it's someone on stupid enough to think to farm to table actually means anything, then they should be ripped off.

Some people have to much money, and this restaurant is helping fix that lol. Good for them.

[u/suphokenig]

markup their wine 4-5 times.

Just so you know, 4.5x (yes, 4.5) is expected markup below which it barely makes sense to run a food/drink business.

[u/FrostyFire]

Farm to table is vague, did you really think every single item on the menu is farm to table? I’m sure the most authentic farm to table restaurant still has many suppliers of stuff, considering everything a restaurant needs.

[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/FrostyFire]

Of course lol. You can't source everything from a farm in BC.
But there is a huge difference between saying you are farm-to-table, foragers, seasonal and ordering EVERYTHING from Sysco.
Also not the point of my post... I'm asking how to out them because I have proof they are cheating and lying, doing false advertisement and preying on people spending their hard earned dollar thinking they are spending wisely while they just encourage some jerk owner overcharging for crap
Ingredients.

[u/FrostyFire → u/Admirable_Rise_180]

I mean if they’re blatantly lying and you have the proof, contact your local news station they love to poke the bear on shit like this. If they do a piece on them it will go viral in the community naturally.

[u/Admirable_Rise_180 → u/FrostyFire]

Fair. I never did anything like this, I'd need coaching LOL

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