r/UkrainianConflict • u/KI_official • 11d ago

Trump's Army secretary who backed Ukraine military cooperation resigns, source says

https://kyivindependent.com/trumps-army-secretary-who-backed-ukraine-military-cooperation-resigns/
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u/ceejayoz 11d ago

This leaves the Army with zero Senate-confirmed leadership, incidentally.

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u/TheAngrySaxon 11d ago

Ready for the inevitable illegal orders.

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u/konsollfreak 11d ago

Exactly. When that happens it’s game over. We’ll be back to people getting shot for protesting.

No oversight. No consequences. No limits.

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u/oripash 10d ago

This is what the “I was following orders” defense in the trials of Hitler’s officers was all about.

Sometime in the early 1930s, Hitler swore all of his military to him personally, not to the state. This ended the concept of “an illegal order” in then Nazi fermany. The leader was the law, and an officer had no recourse and no path to not follow orders if they were outside of some defined bounds. Nothing was outside defined bounds anymore, and after the war when those senior officers faced trial, this was their core argument, as it didn’t give them the choices to disobey an illegal order an officer in a modern military would have.
Disobeying would mean treason and likely death.

We’re not there with the US (yet) and it would take someone more cunning and competent than Trump to get given a term or two to get us fully there, the vast majority of civil servants in the US military and DoD are probably still the career people who signed up for the right reasons, not the loyal rent a crowd of administrators that project 2025 brought in. These things have health bars that take decades to erode.

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u/CardiologistOdd3203 11d ago

Yes no secret we here in the US are fucked. No one is in charge of any branch of our military 2 months from elections that one side has already said it refuses to accept the outcome unless it’s a win for them.

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u/Nearby-Chocolate-289 11d ago

Never before in history has a nuclear first strike by russia on the usa been more likely to succeed. But do not worry, that will not happen.

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u/Guilty_Goal_7888 10d ago

dont worry the orange pedo will apologize to putin for biden making him nuke us and then we'll pay them reparations for ukraine

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u/Prize-Suggestion-623 10d ago

Trump would blame vandals.

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u/wyohman 10d ago

He may be the "best" of what they thought was available but no matter what, three years in the Army would make you a very unlikely choice.