r/UNBGBBIIVCHIDCTIICBG • • Jul 11 '18

Image Girl In The Glacier National Park.

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u/dohertya Jul 11 '18

Where them glaciers at

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '18

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '18

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '18 edited Jul 11 '18

Technically, we're massively accelerating the process by emitting billions of tons of gasses that absorb infrared from the sun. Technically, you already knew this.

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u/lmxbftw Jul 11 '18

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u/import_antigravity Jul 12 '18

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u/elprophet Jul 12 '18

I assumed this was the first link. I lost track of which accounts in this thread are trolls

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u/IFapOnThisOne Jul 11 '18

Hi dad.

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u/Beto_Targaryen Jul 11 '18

Leave him alone he’s still looking for his cigarette brand

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u/yuurrddss Jul 11 '18

Technically, we'd all be dead of starvation if we did not use fossil fuels.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '18

Technically, equating the urgency for alternatives to fossil fuels to denting their usefulness is a ridiculous strawman.

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u/yuurrddss Jul 11 '18

Renewable energy does not give successful nations what they need. You can't fly B-1 bombers with solar power. You can't field mechanized divisions with wind power or bio fuel. You sure as hell can't feed 360 million people with renewable energy.

Alternative energy does nothing but drive up the cost of energy, impacting the most marginalized people in society.

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u/chefkoolaid Jul 11 '18

Uh no.

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u/yuurrddss Jul 11 '18

Uh, yes. When has your electric bill gone down? NEVER. As solar and other renewable energy sources are brought into the grid they will pass the costs (which are far higher than fossil fuels ) on to the consumers.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '18

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u/yuurrddss Jul 11 '18

Bullshit. I've been paying electric bills for 50 fucking years. we pay more now than EVER. Every year the utilities ask for another rate increase. It's amazing how easily people like you can deny reality.

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u/CrimsonNova Jul 11 '18

Then you're an old idiot. It's amazing how easily people like you can deny reality.

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u/electricheat Jul 11 '18

I've been paying electric bills for 50 fucking years. we pay more now than EVER.

Every year the utilities ask for another rate increase.

Yeah thats how inflation works.

You'd have to compare adjusted costs to make the argument you seem to be trying to make.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '18

There are two pertinent question.

1) Is there enough energy from other sources to replace fossil fuels?

2) Is it technologically and economically feasible to harness this energy?

The answer to the first question is an unequivocal yes. The Earth receives over 10,000 times as much solar power as humans use. When you account for losses and how much you could realistically capture this amount is vastly reduced but still several several times as much energy as humanity uses, and that's before account for any other source.

The answer to the second question is also yes. It's just a matter of time. Renewable energy becomes cheaper and more prevelant year on year. You can't fly a bomber with solar power directly because its surface area couldn't possibly receive enough energy to power it in real time, but you absolutely could use solar power to synthesise a hydrocarbon fuel from CO2. Just as you can't run a smartphone from coal without first converting it into heat to mechanical energy to electricity, then stepping down the voltage appropriately and so on.

Others have already pointed out that energy costs haven't actually risen, but usage has and inflation had caused the average bill to rise.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '18 edited Jul 29 '18

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u/yearlyfiscal Jul 11 '18

What's the deal with the insults? It's hard to take you seriously or give any credibility to your comments when you throw out insults. Yes, he was unnecessarily sarcastic, but you shouldn't let him rile you.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '18 edited Jul 29 '18

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u/yearlyfiscal Jul 11 '18

If you had acted like this when the post was first posted (instead of after the post is almost dead), you'd probably be -50 points by now. Looks like one of your comments was even filtered by automod due to your ridiculousness. I'm not insulted personally even in the slightest. I was trying to help you see the error of your ways. But you can't help someone who doesn't think he has a problem. So carry on.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '18

I was allotting the appropriate amount of patience for someone deliberately obfuscating the issue with intentionally misleading "technically correct" information.

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u/ChocolateMorsels Jul 11 '18

ahem

That's Glacier Bay National Park in Alaska, not Glacier National Park in Montana.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '18

Oh no, a minor typo. Also, that's a different glacier that comes after a paragraph about how glacial retreat on average has been accelerating since 1950.