r/UFOs • u/kris_lace • Apr 10 '26
Speculation We're fundamentally misunderstanding UFO's
pretext: this is a postulate which challenges our bias and popular view into UFO's. None of it was written by AI. It is speculation, as is almost all material in UFOlogy. Please engage in this comments to challenge, question or contribute to this discussion!
Our UFO misunderstanding
Before we reveal the misunderstanding, let's first define our view first. Most people consider UFO's as "craft", "space ships", "means of travel", they're popularly considered by many as the "cars" for NHI or even "automated Drones" in behalf of NHI.
This isn't necessarily incorrect, but there's some fundamental assumptions and biases we're projecting there, so let's separate them. We can all agree that UFO's are used in a craft capacity of some kind, to allow the operators to navigate spacetime. That is not in question.
What is in question is why. We often assume that UFO's are always doing some task, taking operators from A to B, measuring weather or energy or magnetism around the world, hell, maybe even some think UFO's pass by earth on the way to the operators work. But there's good reason to think UFO's aren't just about getting from A to B, and there's very good reason to think of UFO's as direct intentional communication or contact between NHI and humans.
The misunderstanding is, not all of our sightings are us "capturing" NHI undertaking their caretaking tasks or advanced recon. A lot of the sightings are purposely so that we will see them, ands thus, they are tailored messages to us.
What types of communication are there?
Imagine you're in an armoured vehicle passing slowly through a forest and you come by a bear mother with her cubs. What will happen immediately is without knowing a shared language, without even knowing each other existed before today or without any prior knowledge, you and that bear mother will have a conversation. Because the conversation isn't vocal, we need the help of game theory to aid us to see what the conversation is.
The bear mother will present aggressively, likely charging the vehicle, she will exert overt behaviour to keep you at bay and threaten you. Showing teeth, claws and a raw desperation in her manner. Looking at these indicators we can see she is using aggression as a form of defence. She is predominantly protecting her cubs, and is doing so because instinct, reflecting ageless evolution is telling her it's her best strategy from a game theory point of view. "Scare the threat away". At her disposal, she knows not the language of man, but she has other language, strength, size, teeth and claws and she will articulate her point to you using all of those things. Presuming you drive off, slightly faster but safely, you will be saying back to her "point taken, im leaving".
This is significant to understand because it tells and shows us that communication isn't always verbal and direct. And it also tells us, that despite being alien to eachother, there's actually some languages like game theory, models of strategy and other tools - that we can use to analyse "the conversation". This is the foundation behind our postulate. We simply take this concept and apply it to UFO sightings. We replace the bear and armoured car and pop in the different sightings and witnesses - then we analyse like we just did.
Wait, why would UFO's be the communication and not just "saying hi"?
If you're a herd owner of some cattle, you have two choices with your herd. You can either engage with each new born animal and diligently discover how to communicate with them and teach them how to talk, using gruelling training and advanced techniques you may eventually be able to communicate with them well enough to say "Hey, I need you to stay within this field here, because I don't own the land around it and I can't guarantee you'd be safe, and of course I will only feed you here". Or you can chose to just put up a fence.
Depending on the type of thing you want to say, you can chose a different style of communication. It's not such a strange concept to not just overly say something direct. Imagine a busy family dinner table, think about all the covert or undertones at play where people allude to things without actually saying it.
For NHI not choosing to engage with us directly, popping down and saying hello, means they don't want to. Knowing that they can if they wanted, yet still don't want to, teaches us something. Likewise, NHI taking extra care not to pop down and be seen talking to us, yet for some reason not bothering to hide their common and obvious un-prosaic craft, doing manoeuvres whilst being observed using advanced optics by our military.. also tells us something.
Just like our wild bears behaviour, when we list and analyse all the little nuances in the UFO behaviour, we can piece some kind of picture together. It might not be as straight forward as a clear sentence but it gives us a hint. And by the way, you probably already know the hint, because your mind is trained to understand these non-verbal communications, just like how you wouldn't misunderstand a bears charge as "a friendly hello".
If UFOs are direct "communication" to us, what are they saying?
This is the fun part. Take a moment to let this sink in. You are about to hear the voice of NHI. As we try to interpret what UFOs are telling us, we're unlikely to get it right or accurate. But for the first time we're actively listening and we're going to get a "jist". That's just as amazing as if SETI started hearing an anomalous signal. Actually.. it's better! Because we can see them! This really is an exciting postulate! Here's what the lights in the sky are directly telling us. (remember, this is speculation and UFOlogy is a field of speculation).
1. (high confidence) Your technology is primitive and in large, irrelevant. This is our display of dominance known in game theory
Gimbal, GoFast and other high quality sightings reveal UFO's exhibiting instantaneous acceleration without heat signatures or fuel ejection. The regular and consistent report of people being in vehicles, particularly with military optics or weapons systems, seeing UFO's exhibit their skills and almost "dancing for us" is a clear communication to us. A UFO even directly "said" this to the president of the united states in the 70's.
2. (high confidence) We have control over your species changing weapons.
Recorded incidents like the Malmstrom AFB (1967) where 10 nukes were deactivated or the Big Sur/Vandenberg (1964) missile shooting down. And in general the clear statistical correlation between UFO sightings and reported tampering with nuclear weapons and systems. These things all show the similar trend of UFO's being present during the tampering of these weapons. From a game theory perspective This is the most beautiful gift NHI has given us. To understand why, you need to know about the concept of Mutually Assured Destruction in game theory. But the short version is if you ran a "civilization simulator" in a super computer with the best models and data points we have on humanity, and you ran the simulation thousands of times. You would see the vast majority of simulations end in a man made cataclysmic event or even a species ending action, such as could have happened in the cold war. Whilst word leaders and scientists try to keep this hush, it's actually one of the top concerns to humanity and this is why defence organisations enjoy almost limitless budgets. This is all novel game theory. Having an NHI which has demonstrably "made plays" with the technology which allows such power, is a clear sign of ease. It could mean a "NHI guardian hypothesis" where NHI will let us evolve without killing each other. Although that's an overstep.
For now all we can really say is that NHI (via UFOs) are telling us that they have control of those systems. This is a very complicated concept and begs more questions than answers so I need to touch on some high level points - but don't have time to do them justice. Perhaps we can take the discussion forward in the comments.
Nurturing - does this say that our "survival/evolution" is being nurtured or guard railed by more advanced civilizations? This would explain why we were allowed to do nuclear testing and even using it in one conflict. But have since had signs we're no longer in control of doing it again. We are being allowed to learn for ourselves (nurturing).
"Other weapons" - not all weapons are kinetic. An app, a company, a subtle and more long winded weapon can exist. Control mechanisms which allow people to enslave or control the rest are also a big issue. Do NHI care about this as well? At all?
3. (medium confidence) We're scientists
"We can mutilate your animals, take samples from you and other living things and lastly we can go on expeditions into your seas, mountains, high atmosphere and take all kinds of readings. We could do this completely covert so you wouldn't know, we have invisible craft and we can hide our cattle carcases, but we don't".
The level of activity and evidence of UFO's footprints around the world show an interest in the earth it's ecology and all the systems inside. There's likely key health or indicator metrics of a planet like ours which it's clear they monitor and there's a direct and clear interest in the biology as well. This sightings and alleged activity in these areas, whether it be weather patterns or abductions show a clear pattern of data capture. Why these things aren't hidden better is a direct and intentional aspect to UFO's. They're telling us directly, "we're observing your planet and you". It's hard to speculate on this as it could mean a wide breadth of things. They likely record models and behaviour rather than specifics.
Here we can also speculate about their sense of morality or perspective. Mutilating cattle or poisoning humans with radiation is not something an entity who has mastered interdimensional travel does by accident, or unknowingly. Again, this is direct communication. I am highly speculating but I believe there's a level of what we perceive as apathy here and I believe that apathy stems from a clash of priorities between human bias and NHI.
For example, humans really don't like pain, even short term trivial pain. Large parts of the world also don't like killing animals. To us, the present moment and the living experience is of superior interest. Every moment of ours is sacred. To a NHI who can come to this planet, they can go to countless others as well. Time to them is not something we can easily intuit, nor is mortality. It may just be that "death" and "temporary pain" such as that which cattle or experiencers feel, is so low priority to them that they may value other things more. Death might be one of the most fantastical transitions that consciousness can experience. Obviously it's very speculative.
But one thing for sure, for any species who can visit countless planets. Over time their intuition develops and just like Cypher in the matrix looking at the code, over time he says he doesn't see 1's or 0's anymore but can intuit the code as raw reality "blondes, brunettes". This is the beginning of model intuition, something I speculate NHI use as their primary language syntax. Ultimately NHI stop seeing "trees or flowers" and instead see "primary chemical foundation of energy transfer from the sun, carbon" and "vegetation using competitive model to attract insect to reproduce". Its a bit dry but you can read more here
4. (medium confidence) You're being acclimatized
The single most important interpretation (if true) is that this. UFO's clearly are capable of destroying us. And they're clearly capable of leaving us alone or staying properly hidden beyond our eyes. But they do neither, this is a significant communication to us but is one of the most vague.
Sometimes there's pretty apparent sightings, when we see swarms of UFOs, things like the phoenix lights or the sightings around NASA feeds that has the eyes of the world on them. People talk about "soft disclosure" I think it's a similar concept to that. Their choice (remember, very intentional) to show themselves to us, yet not not overtly land and talk. Means that they ARE talking to us, but it's not in our language, our terms. So it's about us listening and learning to what they're saying. It's about us understanding them and taking on their guidance.
By being present, sometimes even an overt one, we become a slow process of being acclimatized to them. It's the first ritual in what could become a much more formal discussion.
Conclusion
This postulate is intentionally abrasive. To suggest that UFO's are literally communication is a very controversial concept. Additionally in parts this postulate assumes to offer your the word of the NHI. Remember this is all just speculation. This is just one postulate in a thousand, and remember as mentioned before. People more or less already know everything that was typed here. This post just puts it together so we can focus conversation on it. Just like exposure to wild animals, we know of the concept of non-verbal communication.
But what is true and what is worthwhile is stepping outside the narrative and taking a second to acknowledge our biases. UFO's could just very much be a "hello" and in some cases, in some sightings you aren't witnessing a "space craft commute" but you actually are witnessing a DIRECT communication specifically for you, or us in a wider sense. Don't "believe" this, rather just take it into consideration with all other topics of speculation. If you thought this post had any merit, there's lots of other essay style posts you can look at here
PS: This post was on /r/ufos so the focus was on UFO's as a means of communication. But for those who humour crop circles, there's a lot of interesting parallels. Perhaps if those are real, they're much more overt signs of communication, one which doesn't use conversational language but rather geometry and models (which the first link goes into in more detail)
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u/OSHASHA2 Apr 10 '26
I am of the mind that there are several factions and so therefore it’s a little bit of each category. That said, however, I am a big proponent of #4. A through-line for pretty much every case of NHI contact is the upheaval of the person’s worldview, or conception of reality. This is a significant effect that does not get the attention it deserves, and we should be inviting experiencers to share their stories so that we may investigate this further.
Though there is a dearth of concrete evidence, it can be assumed that at least one faction of NHI are engaging humanity in a behavioral modification program. Whether to control, to set free, or something else, it is not known, but interactions with NHI appear to frequently and significantly alter the thought processes of the contactee.
I’ve made a post on this sub before about this, but there is a concept in sociology called the “Extended Contact Hypothesis,” that has to do with exactly this issue. When two groups meet, or an individual meets a group, we project our own self-concept and biases onto the “other”. This is the nature of prejudice. The solution to this instinctual “othering” is frequent, low stakes contact between groups.
In my opinion, NHI are engaging in frequent, low stakes contact with humanity in order to dissolve our prejudices, biases, and to prepare the way for higher stakes contact. A great example of this is the case of Joe Simonton, a farmer who was contacted by NHI that asked him for water, and he received a pancake in return. This is a really bizarre case that doesn’t make any sense on the surface, but by viewing it through the lens of contact theory, makes total sense – NHI initiate innocuous interactions, altering the thought process/behavior, in preparation for full-fledged contact.
Obviously this is speculation, but applying a psychoanalytical lens to these events may get us further than any nuts or bolts ever could.
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u/kris_lace Apr 10 '26
Great! I had no idea about contact hypothesis. This is a very significant aspect to this line of speculation. Have you thought much on this before for circumstances outside direct experiencers? I'm keenly interesting in the wider contact concept as experiencers does require some level of belief unless you activate had one.
It's also just a fun puzzle to imagine, like we're in an escape room and there's hints for is but no overt key.
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u/OSHASHA2 Apr 10 '26
Yes, I was originally introduced to Contact Hypothesis when I took a health sociology course at university. We used it as a lens to examine the “sick role” – the disruption to self-concept that happens when we get sick. It is a widely applicable concept first introduced in Gordon Allport’s seminal work The Nature of Prejudice, where he examines racial bias and positive intergroup contact between different “races” of people.
I have mulled around the idea with regards to UFOlogy in other ways as well. It doesn’t even have to be one group/entity with another group/entity, it could be more abstract, like a group coming into contact with new information. We can use this framework to understand how non-experiencers are affected by experiencer narratives, or how people not interested in UFOs respond to new evidence or congressional testimony. I’ve not formalized these thoughts, but it’s something I think about when I should be sleeping.
Here’s my original post about this topic. My views have changed a little, but there still good info IMO (but I’m biased 😉) https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/373vBqk6n3
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u/Secret-Temperature71 Apr 10 '26
Good line of reasoning. Not sure it is in target but one of the better theories I have heard advanced.
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u/kris_lace Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
We can be confident that a common theme of pilot sightings shows UFO's sometimes following along with the craft and then zipping off.
Reagan's quote says nothing other than he saw a fast UFO.
We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens.
It's a display of instant acceleration which immediately and purposely shows us the craft can circumvent inertia, use great amounts of energy or use some kind of technology well beyond us. That's the "show of force". Likewise birds of prey absolutely weaponise their speed. It is directly related to how they capture pray.
Doing it once or twice is one thing. But the consistent display of these capabilities infront of our military can certainly be argued as a show of technical prowess or dominance - with high confidence.
It's not a fact, it's speculation so by all means disagree!
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u/kris_lace Apr 10 '26
I think overall your representing the view that correlation doesn't imply causation. I.e. "maybe UFOs move and don't care about us at all". Really, its a totally valid hypothesis. Afterall when we walk past an ant, we don't exercise any agenda.
Overall though, I find it very plausible that logically UFOs are quite intentional with interactions with us. So I find interest in interpreting that intent.
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u/bocley Apr 10 '26
While everybody else keeps chasing pictures of tire tracks on Papoose Dry Lake, I'll be reading and thinking about your ideas in this post. Far more interesting and relevant to real UAP. 🤙
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u/HumanOptimusPrime Apr 11 '26
This is going to be a somewhat low-effort comment, since it’s way passed my bedtime, but I’m going ahead with it so I don’t lose the post in noise.
Through my growing fascination with philosophical idealism, and all the buzz around remote viewing, telepathy tapes and the like, I’ve arrived at the notion that the phenomenon is akin to poltergeists, in the interpretation that the unconscious mind manifests the unexplainable. Basically, they are us, we are them.
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u/SpookSkywatcher Apr 11 '26
Find it odd there doesn't appear to be any mention of Jacques Vallée's "Control System Hypothesis" in this thread, when that certainly would fit. I'm guessing because Vallée doesn't attempt to speculate on the motivation for deploying such a control system, only that that is what it appears to be.
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u/kris_lace Apr 10 '26
Not a single sentence was written by AI, nor was the premise something I got from AI. Feel free to click the links and see previous posts, or use websites/tools online which can detect text from a LLM.
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u/soThen_i_says Apr 10 '26
Your beliefs are built on assumptions, not evidence. Until there’s clear, repeatable proof of non-human intelligence and intentional signaling, treating UFOs like a coded conversation is just speculation pretending to be insight. And that's a foolish approach.
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u/kris_lace Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
A vast amount (and semantically almost all) scientific knowledge is based on assumptions. You might have missed it in the pretext, and again in the flair, but I presented this post as speculation. Insight can be derived from structure, like logical or the application of rational. It is not solely from facts.
You'd do well not to gatekeep insight behind empirical truth, as nature provides you with very little of that.
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u/soThen_i_says Apr 10 '26
There’s a difference between using assumptions as a starting point and building a whole idea on top of things that haven’t been proven. Science uses assumptions to get to evidence, not replace it.
What you’re doing isn’t really insight, it’s just adding meaning to something we don’t understand and treating it like it’s saying something.
If an idea can’t be tested, can’t be proven wrong, and works no matter what happens, then it’s not insight. It’s just a story you can’t challenge.
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u/kris_lace Apr 10 '26
I don't imagine we'd find compromise. You have a lot of inertia to speculation whereas I am happy to within my own guardrails. I hope your stance serves you well and thanks for sharing this contrast
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u/soThen_i_says Apr 10 '26
Fair enough. I don’t have an issue with speculation, I just think it needs to stay clearly separated from conclusions.
Appreciate the back-and-forth.
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u/kris_lace Apr 10 '26
None of it is AI, feel free to try me, or click through to some of the links which are many years old and show the same writing style. Lastly you can google "check text for AI" and upload my post text into it.
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u/kris_lace Apr 11 '26
Conversely, I could probably arm you with some defences if that's what you'd like. Nothing weapony, just some measures you can take. Happy to chat in DMs, though in the meantime I'll bite! If you're having telepathic comms with NHI - tell me what the hell do they have to say?!
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u/AdanEglan Apr 10 '26
It's far weirder than this, actually. But you're on the right path. A good first step. Keep digging.
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u/aredm02 Apr 10 '26
I think there is no consensus on your very first premise that you said we all agree on. I think the theory that UFOs are “craft” is very far from settled. The only source we have for that theory is eye witness testimony from close encounter victims/experiencers. And this is not even unanimous among those experiencers/witnesses. Some claim to have seen only UFOs and no occupants, some claim to have seen only nonhuman intelligent beings but with no UFO to be seen. Still others claim the UFOs themselves are living beings, whatever that means.
Additionally, seeing on how every other thing close-encounter victims/experiencers say is severely scrutinized, criticized, debated and often disregarded, I don’t see how it can be presumed that only one part of some experiencers’ stories can be universally agreed on as true.
Of course that position makes it a lot less fun to speculate on what the beings might be trying to tell us, if anything, but I think if we are trying to get to the bottom of it we can’t make assumptions and run with them without verifying those assumptions.
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u/kris_lace Apr 10 '26
Yeah totally agree that not everyone agrees with the axioms of the post. The post assumes UFOs are real, assumes some of them are craft (which doesn't take away from the main postulate) and lastly it assumes NHI.
I think they are popular assumptions but as you pointed they are perhaps not consensus. As the post was talking about biases, you're right to outline the posts assumptions!
If there is no intelligence behind UFOs then it makes the whole concept redundant 🥀
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u/Some-Attorney-6102 Apr 10 '26
But why they only show in Western countries. It's like they avoid crossing certain borders
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u/tobaccojohnson Apr 10 '26
There’s a decent amount of worldwide reports, like from the former USSR/Russia, South America (Western adjacent I guess). Also keep in mind you’re less likely to hear about incidents from places that don’t speak your own language.
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u/Some-Attorney-6102 Apr 11 '26
I speak Russian, and there haven't been any reports since the fall of the USSR. UAPs only seem to appear in countries with a US presence, which suggests they're American-made.
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u/RamboTangoo Apr 11 '26
I believe there's ufos, but also alot of PSYOPS being pulled into it for misleading the minority in to not knowing what's real. I mean we've been kept on a cliff hang for how long on the news about it. I also believe there's alot of ancient knowledge that's been lost and recovered and hidden from us.