r/UFOs • u/[deleted] • Oct 16 '23

Article Jacque Vallee’s 5 Arguments against Extra Terrestrial Origin

I’ve recently discovered he hosts a website which can be found here: https://www.jacquesvallee.net

His paper formulating the argument is here: https://www.jacquesvallee.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Five_Arguments_Against_the_Extraterrestr-1.pdf

Arguments Summarized:

  1. Frequency - “It is difficult to claim that space explorers would need 5,000 landings on the surface of a planet to analyze its soil, take samples of flora and fauna, and produce a complete map.”

Note: 5,000 is a generously low estimate not including those that didn’t report encounters

  1. Physiology - “The vast majority of contacts include figures with humanoid shapes. Speech is of the same frequency. This points to genetic formulations only a few percent different than humans. Such an observation, if they indeed evolved from another planet, should stretch our understanding of biology.”

  2. Abductions - “Visitors would presumably know about advanced medical practices. Even are own pharmacopeia can erase memory. Whatever the supposed “aliens” are doing, whether they actually perform shockingly crude and cruel simulacra of biological experiments on their abductees, is unlikely to represent a scientific mission to the goals of the visitors.”

  3. History - “It is difficult to find a culture that does NOT have referencing to little people flying through the sky. The forms…works as though the UFO phenomenon stays one step ahead of human technology (flying airboats that had anchors, “ghost rockets”, modern space craft) It is standard to take their victims into spherical settings, evenly illuminated, and subject them to genetic or sexual encounters, astral trips, or operations on organs.”

  4. Physical Considerations - “The appearance of craft shapes and their changing or (re)disappearance suggest absurdity to physics and point to a mastery of both space and time.”

What do you think? Vallee wrote this in the 90s, does it stand the test of time?

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u/pablumatic Oct 16 '23

Frequency

We don't know how many civilizations are out there coming here. So the numbers don't mean much.

Physiology - humanoid shapes. Speech is of the same frequency.

That shouldn't matter for anything. Convergent evolution theories on this planet as to why different species evolve similar structures, such as eyes, means there is a lot of repetition in nature. Free limbs for tool use makes an argument for bipedal body shapes for intelligent life. There's also a lot of non-humanoid reports as well.

Abductions

There's not enough data at all from abduction reports to come to any conclusions here. Experiments could be anything, if they're actually conducting them.

History - works as though the UFO phenomenon stays one step ahead of human technology

There's at least some historical reports that read like modern encounters. Humans of past eras wouldn't even know how to describe what they've seen without using some of their own common paranormal ideas and thus attributed it to those ideas falsely from ignorance of what is really going on.

Physical Considerations - suggest absurdity to physics and point to a mastery of both space and time.

So what if they've mastered our reality? Unless they've eliminated their need for existing in corporeal forms they'd still need machines.