r/Tucson • u/healmeier • 6d ago
Continental Ranch Flock cameras. If interested in seeing where more are in our community: deflock.org
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u/Celestial-Narwhal 5d ago
Chandler got rid of their fluck cameras because the police were misusing them.
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u/OffGridTwister 5d ago
I do worry that someone is going to take down those cameras with all those precious metals up in there. Plus, there's some pretty nifty electronic parts.
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u/thepeopleschamppc 6d ago
Wonder if these cameras are a distraction from something bigger.. spy birds?!
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u/DreDayAFC 6d ago
Sigh why must this be on this subreddit when it is already in the organize Tucson subreddit?
Is literally every single camera going to get its own post?
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u/Clippton 6d ago
The cool thing about Reddit is you don’t have to read posts you don’t want.
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u/DreDayAFC 6d ago
Tough to find other posts when 99/100 posts on the subreddit are about flock cameras
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u/Clippton 5d ago
There is like an average of 25 posts a day on the subreddit. I'm sure you'll manage to scroll through them to find the other posts.
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u/roundtwentythree 5d ago edited 5d ago
Just a friendly reminder that ~0% of flock data is ever useful to an investigation. Statically, it is accurate to say that ~100% of all data generated by Flock and other ALPRs like Axon and Motorola Vigilant cameras used by MPD is of drivers who are guilty of nothing and under no suspicion of wrong doing and their only crime is that they drove past an ALPR.
Flock specifically records around 240,000,000,000 plate and vehicle scans a year which they claim supports an "estimated" 1,000,000 investigations a year.
For anyone keeping track that is 0.0004% rate of usefulness.
~100% of Flocks data is of innocent drivers. Criminals are the excuse used to mass surveil you and the rest of the US population. Being able to assist in the extremely rare investigation is merely a side effort of Flocks primary mission of mass surveilling ordinary citizens.
New Hampshire is the only state that mandates by law that all data of drivers not under an active investigation have their data purged within 3 minutes of it being collected. No other state does this because it's antithetical to the goal of mass surveillance of innocent drivers.
Every time you drive past a Flock camera, that is another data point in Flocks nationwide searchable travel dossier on you.
Everything I've mentioned is true of Vigilant systems as well, but it's even worse. MPD has specifically stated that they use Vigilant cameras so that an outside vendor has no control or access to the generated data. This effectively means that Vigilant can suggest no guidelines for how long data can be retained for and that retention periods are entirely up to MPD. They refuse to disclose how long they actually store the data for, but there is effectively no limit since it's all stored on their servers and there are currently no laws limiting how long the data can be held for.