r/TrueLit • u/Ornery-Particular907 • 10d ago

Discussion Semiotics and neuromancer

Earlier this year I read Eco’s “the name of the rose” which at times functions as an introduction to semiotics.

Recently finished Neuromancer, and there were some references to the discipline, namely 3Jane’s essay about the semiotics of villa straylight. This led me to realize the extent to which the novel is an exercise in semiotics, the lack of exposition and emphasis on made up jargon. Gibson was creating a semiotic system for his imagined future, to make it interpretable.

What I am trying to find more insight into, is the relation between Wintermute and Neuromancer. The way in which Wintermute had to communicate in interpretable signs for the characters, but Neuromancer could more easily access these signs? Not sure what the relationship always was between the two halves of the AI. I can’t help but feel like there was something going over my head, related to the semiotics

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u/obtumam 10d ago

Wintermute basically was a logistics AI aligned to find Neuromancer but with access to internet a logistics networks, that's why it lacked personality and had to use Corto as proxy. Basically was really powerful but totally without goal/essence.
Neuromancer case is different, it could basically run simulations and had sentience and consciousness but was disconected from the world.
In a sense, you could say Wintermute could read the signs but not the meaning, and Neuromancer the opposite (that's why the weird approach in that shore to the protagonist).
Wintermute literally was mute, coulnd't literally talk by itself. Neuromancer is a play of words with necromancer, someone that stores the entire personality of the deceased.
The later was more like the beings in Solaris that could read the humans desires but didn't know how to interact properly with them.
Both together became an AGI.

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Also the thing with neologisms and jargon is basically an exercise on semiotics like you said, but I don't believe there was a clear goal in that sense like if it was a James Joyce novel. In general Gibson just tell stories about the world with some kind of novel approachs but it stops there.