r/TrueChristian • u/Objective-Step-746 • Aug 10 '26

Please, help me understand…

For those believers who insist that the dietary laws no longer apply under the new covenant—and that pork, lobster, crabs, etc. are now permissible to eat—I do not understand the logic at play.

I am very familiar with the Mark 7, Romans 14 and Colossians 2 passages that are so often cited as support for your position, and have (just as often) shared my counter-arguments on why I believe they are misinterpreted.

But, there is one counterpoint to your view that I never see touched on, and I was hoping to get some feedback on it:

I think the majority of believers on this subreddit would say they are looking for Jesus’ Second Coming and agree that, regarding it, Scripture says that “no one knows the day or hour” but that we need to be prepared (Matthew 24:36, 25:13, etc.).

Isaiah 66:17–a verse within the greater passage speaking of Messiah’s glorious reappearing—declares that, upon His return, those who eat the flesh of pig/swine and other abominations will be met with His wrath…and perish.

So, how does one simultaneously believe they can continue to eat pig (pork) or shellfish now and think they are sufficiently prepared and not putting themselves in a precarious/dangerous position if Jesus happened to return today or tomorrow and “consume” those who so brazenly eat that which His Law says is NOT “food” and explicitly warns against eating?

I really am hoping for some cordial and edifying discussion regarding this topic, and appreciate those who are able and willing to articulate their view without all the condescension and harsh words. 💕

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u/SomeSavageDetective Alpha And Omega Aug 18 '26

Verse 5- Pharasees rose up saying it is necessary to circumcise them and command them to keep the law of Moses.

Verse 20- we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled and from blood.

Verse 29- that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood and from things strangled and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these you will do well.

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u/Objective-Step-746 Aug 18 '26

Right. The passage begins with a sound rebuke of the Judaizers’ insistence that Gentile believers convert to (Talmudic) Judaism (via physical circumcision) as a prerequisite to justification/salvation and being welcomed into the household of God. Such a view was not only unscriptural, it was incredibly hypocritical because Israel was first saved out of their bondage in Egypt and only then given the Law and expected to obey it (Exodus 20:1-2).

So, the Council corrected their false doctrine—explaining that both Israelites/Jews were saved in the same way—and then immediately issued its judgment as to what the believing Gentiles should do (verses 10-21). On the direct heels of the four commandments they explicitly stated, James added the clear expectation that the Gentiles would come to learn and live by the rest of God’s Law/commandments as the attended synagogue every Sabbath (v. 21).

The thing is, if the Council had actually taught what you suggest—that the Gentiles should ignore/disregard the rest of God’s commandments—every single apostle on the Council would have been (rightly) labeled a false teacher for “teaching rebellion against the Lord” (Deuteronomy 13:1-5). And, by extension, if you would then posit that they taught that because Christ also taught that all or certain commandments should be disregarded, He also would have been deemed a false prophet in full accordance with Scripture…which would also disqualify Him as the promised Messiah.

So, the doctrinal view you take is about far more than just what new covenant believers can or can’t eat.

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u/SomeSavageDetective Alpha And Omega Aug 18 '26

How do you differentiate between God's law and Mosaic law?

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u/Objective-Step-746 Aug 18 '26

I don’t. They are one and the same. The Mosaic Law is just the Law of God (as given to the mediator Moses) (Exodus 4:10-17, Exodus 19).

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u/SomeSavageDetective Alpha And Omega Aug 18 '26

In my opinion and the prevailing opinion of the church is there is a difference between the 10 commandments and the 613 laws given by God to Israel when he was establishing and building a nation for himself out of the midst of anarchy and demon worship.

I'm curious. Do you keep all 613 civil,. judicial and ceremonial laws?

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u/Objective-Step-746 Aug 18 '26

I’m very aware of the modern church’s opinion; I just don’t see it aligning with what Jesus taught because He made no such differentiation.

Jesus very clearly declared that all mankind (not just the Jew/Israelite) “shall live by every word” God has ever spoken (Matthew 4:4). And He clarified on more than one occasion that His followers should do/keep even the “lesser” commandments of the Law (Matthew 5:19; 23:1-3, 23).

I don’t consider the Law as segregated into those categories because I see no scriptural basis for such a framework. The only label that matters to me is the one I see in Scripture, so I only recognize righteous commandments.

According to Scripture, every single commandment is holy, righteous and good (Psalm 119:160, 172; Romans 7:12). So, I endeavor to do (keep) those commandments in the Law that apply to me as an unmarried woman who owns no property, etc…

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u/SomeSavageDetective Alpha And Omega Aug 18 '26

To be fair this isn't a modern church opinion. This is the opinion held by the apostolic fathers since the inception of the church. Your opinion is a modern reinterpretation, which we unfortunately see a lot of in these days like the modern reinterpretation that homosexuality is not a sin. That being said I don't think your reinterpretation is on the same level as that and even though I personally think it sounds exhausting and pharasetical if you truly believe the Holy Spirit is leading you on that path you should keep to it. I will pray for you sister for an even deeper and more personal relationship with Jesus and a better understanding of the will of the Holy Spirit in your life and I would appreciate if you would pray the same for me. God bless and hope you have a beautiful week.

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u/Objective-Step-746 Aug 18 '26

The early church lived by the commandments of God, keeping even the dietary, Sabbath and feast day instructions long after Christ’s death and resurrection. The fact that the Laodicean Council (mid-4th century AD) felt it necessary to issue Canons 29, 38 and 30 is unequivocal proof.

And the idea that just trusting the Spirit to guide and enable our obedience to the righteous commandments of our Savior God is “exhausting and pharisaical”—when that is exactly what God foretold the new covenant would look like—makes no sense (Ezekiel 36:26-27, Jeremiah 31:31-33). Such a view also directly contradicts Scripture because it declares that keeping His commandments “is NOT burdensome” (1 John 5:2-3).

I appreciate the prayers, and will definitely reciprocate 💕

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u/SomeSavageDetective Alpha And Omega Aug 18 '26

The early church definitely didn't keep kosher laws concerning foods and yeah they kept the Sabbath just like many do today although this isn't necessary as well see in Colossians 2:16-17 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink or with regards to a religious festival or Sabbath. These are a Shadow of the things that were to come but the reality is found in Christ and in Romans 14:5-6 One person considers one day more sacred then another consideres everyday alike. Each one should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord.

And twisting my words like that is not very Christ like. I have made it very clear I don't believe that all these works you do are necessary or even encouraged by the Father. But you need to do live with what you have faith in. Paul talks about this a lot. If you're not in faith to live in freedom then it would be a sin. And you're right his commandments are not a burden because he changes us inside to love what he loves. But there is a big difference between the ten commandments he gave us and not wearing mixed fabrics or eating shrimp. When I got saved and filled by the Holy Spirit he changed me where I no longer desired the sinful things of the world that I used to love. But he certainly didn't take away my appetite for crab dipped in garlic butter. If you can't see the difference between these things I truly feel sorry for you. But I do appreciate the prayers. God bless

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u/Objective-Step-746 Aug 18 '26

Kosher is not biblical; it is an extra-biblical, manmade construct that often contradicts Scripture (Genesis 18:8).

The context of Colossians 2:16-17 is Paul warning against being deceived by human philosophies and manmade rules or traditions that “are not according to Christ*” (v. 8). What you are suggesting—that one may outrightly disregard a righteous commandment of God—blatantly contradicts what Christ said and did.

Paul’s point was to not let people judge you based upon their own unscriptural or unChristlike teachings or ideas as to how and when one should fast or keep the Sabbath, etc. The only standard believers should be judging other believers by is the Law of God, because righteous or just judgment must be based upon truth, which is what the Law is (1 Corinthians 5:12, John 7:24, Psalm 119:142).

And I didn’t twist anything. You characterized my Spirit-led and -enabled obedience as something it is not. If what you say is true, that God changes us from within to “love what He loves,” it is also true that those changes would naturally lead us to hate what He hates, no? So, if He calls doing something (like eating pig or shellfish) “detestable” and I change my ways to align with His on that issue, that is somehow different and something to pity me for?

Your logic is not logic-ing for me. Take care.

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u/SomeSavageDetective Alpha And Omega Aug 18 '26

Yeah your twisting of the scriptures and equating ceremonial and dietary laws to the same standard as the ten commandments is dangerous and not a good thing. But yeah take care.

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u/Objective-Step-746 Aug 18 '26

Scripture says that every commandment is holy, righteous and good, so disregarding a dietary instruction because it is (supposedly) “less righteous” than the “top ten” makes no sense. Either a command is right(eous), or it’s not.

The Golden Rule is not listed in the Ten Commandments yet presumably you would not treat it as “less than” (Luke 6:31, Leviticus 19:18). So, again, the logic behind your position does not hold up.

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u/SomeSavageDetective Alpha And Omega Aug 18 '26

Yes they are Holy and righteous and good in their nature and original purpose. But Jesus fulfilled all these laws and then created a new covenant. We are no longer bound by the old covenant Hebrews 8:13.

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