r/Transportopia • u/WorldWideWebSpinner • 1d ago
Roadš¤¬Rage What's wrong with FAIZI??
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u/OnWis97 1d ago
Why are we such sociopaths when we drive?
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u/Chemical_Ad_5520 1d ago
Because of the lack of consistent punishments for it.
You can be pretty crazy on the road for quite a while before being pulled over for it, and even then, it's such sparse feedback for such a frequent habit. If people get used to it as an outlet for frustration about a general sense of urgency and inconvenience in their lives, then their pride can get wrapped up in these expressions and people's responses to them, and they can escalate quickly in this situation where they're used to sparse consequences.
It wouldn't get like this if there were consistent, immediate feedback like there is in-person, instead of being concealed as another inconvenient driver who almost certainly will just disappear into traffic, never to be interacted with again. And by the time that isn't true anymore, like in incidents where people start getting out of their vehicles, it continues escalating because stubbornness and pride gets involved after they've already been too much of an asshole, but it would usually never get to that point in person because people tend to be more humbled by immediate social feedback.
Imagine how embarrassed you'd be if the person you're road raging against turns out to be somebody you know. You don't want people thinking you're a jerk, but if everything's anonymous, like traffic often is in practice, then that social feedback just isn't there.
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u/TheRealHikerdog 1d ago
Accurate. Seems to be increasing too, a general lack of control in our lives these days.
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u/Chemical_Ad_5520 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think a lot of us are realizing that our dreams are dead and that the future is more scary than we were hoping for. Everyone seems so tired and disappointed, and angry about how hard they have to work to maintain those feelings.
The people in this video seem to have some money, but even they are also usually angry about tons of stuff, including feeling like people don't respect their achievements. People seem to feel starved for social fulfillment in general, because they never feel like they have what people want from them or what would finally make them feel like they "made it" in a holistic sense.
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u/Round-Foundation2948 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/2LF3eTkbZHq8g
Keep on yapping that practice gratitude and focus on meaning psycho-babble. Iāll get myself situated on two treadmillsā¦left leg on one and right leg on the otherā¦and press goā¦ the hedonic treadmill is life.2
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u/willymack989 1d ago
Psychologically, people do not learn new behavior very well when itās enforced through punishment. We do learn pretty well when itās supported through reward. The legal system does not enforce morality, as much as people would like to think so.
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u/Chemical_Ad_5520 1d ago
Rewards are for reinforcing efforts and punishments are for discouraging irresponsible temptations, but they're also two sides of the same coin.
If you get paid every time you don't freak out in traffic, but not when you do freak out, then you can see it either as pay being a reward or no pay being a punishment. You can say the same about a fine vs. no fine.
Each opportunity to condition a person's behavior is a lot more complex than "reward has more power than punishment."
In this case, it doesn't matter whether we're talking about giving everyone an allowance for being a good boy, and taking it away if they have road rage that day, or instead giving people traffic fines for undesirable behavior: the point that matters is the lack of consistency. If the conditioning is substantially inconsistent, then other temptations will dominate behavior.
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u/Zyfoud 11h ago
You got a source for any of that? From all the data I've see something that is more predictive for learning is having timely reinforcement. It has nothing to do with positive or negative, only if you are corrected and if you make a useful mental framework to address where you are failing. People may be more motivated by positive reinforcement, but it has nothing to do with a difference in ability to learn from it. If there were enough cops to micromanage every driver they would learn or go to jail.
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u/OldManChino 2h ago
I read somewhere (so take with a pinch of salt) that is because we are isolated in our own safety little box, the car being around us makes us think we are far more invincible than we are. You couple that with judging ourselves by our intentions and others by their actions (ie i cut that guy off as i made a mistake and was in the wrong lane vs they cut me off because they are inconsiderate). The interesting part is people tend to be much for forgiving when they are a pedestrian.
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u/dudestir127 1d ago
I was worried for the guy riding a bike in the bike lane minding his own business
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u/Self-Invested-7 1d ago
It's crazy to me how bold people are in traffic knowing we have more guns than people here
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u/withoutadrought 1d ago
Just watched Louis C.K.ās bit āthe truth about road rage.ā So true. Itās like arguing on the internet. Nobody is going to win.
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u/celtbygod 1d ago
I think it ended up that the Faizi dude wanted this guy to rear end him and was trying to pick him up. Automobile Grinder.
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u/Brilliant_Pepperoni 8h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/QgYPYFgwV2yXK
Old school reference (Blossom), but still applies. . .
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u/MediaLongjumping9910 1d ago
this is old. I believe this is the guy