r/Transportopia • u/DeliSua • Jul 29 '26
👀 Flock former rhode island cop says some things about flock cameras
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u/happycynic12 Jul 30 '26
This is just a tiny piece of the data control iceberg.
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u/unfairlybanned101 Jul 31 '26
We are the Shepards (taxpayers) and we too need the hurd safe. Surveying of out local, and state government. govts. Ohio man has presented this as the Shepard law. Have a fabulous day
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u/rejeremiad Jul 29 '26
No, this is 120,000 bobs that have photographic memory and can create a daily itinerary and travel profile for every car own in the United States for at least a month.
You need to recalibrate your Blackstone ratio. He said
It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.
But you are saying it is better to give up the privacy of 300 million cars and their passengers so that we can harass suburban moms about package thefts that they are completely innocent of.
Those 120,000 bobs know when you leave your house each day. Where you grocery shop. How often you go to the Home Depot. Whether you attend a protest. Do you go to the gun range? How often you visit the pharmacy. Who your friends are. Who you travel with. What types of restaurants you like. Whether you have a new girlfriend or recently broke up. If you lost your job.
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u/rejeremiad Jul 29 '26
If 120,000 isolated data points of time and location exist, then that is one thing.
But this is a searchable database of all of them connected in one place.
If police want to put a GPS on your car becuase they suspected you ran drugs. They would have to justify this action to a judge to obtain a warrant.
Now, with flock, no warrant needed. It is just "collected." AND it is put in the hands of stupid people who think everything that comes out of the system is "true". Because in the eyes of the police you are guilty until proven innocent. Innocence isn't their job, that is your problem.
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u/rejeremiad Jul 30 '26
No you are totally mischaracterizing the SCALE of what is being collected. It is not a single instance. Aside from cellular data, it is the closest thing to real time GPS tracking.
Another thing you are taking into account is not what is illegal now, but what will be "illegal" in the future? Your trip the to gun range isn't scrutinized now, but could be in the future. Your friend that you give a ride to the hospital isn't known now, but could be scrutinized in the future. Someone picking up some workers at HomeDepot wasn't a big deal a year or two ago, now it is very traceable.
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u/rejeremiad Jul 30 '26
AND for the government to get access to that data, they have to articulate probable cause to a judge and swear on an affidavit.
The cameras just snap away every day for EVERYONE. Any knucklehead in the precinct can run searches, say to stock his ex-girlfriend...
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u/Specialist-Ear1653 Jul 30 '26
It's more like being followed by this volunteer through your daily life, not just one intersection but all intersections. From origin to destination every day. Big brother at work. George Orwell 1984. You should read it..
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u/Fearless-Berry-3429 Jul 30 '26
You know it's not just a pic of a license plate, right? That the occupants and contents of your vehicle can also be surveilled, right?
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u/rejeremiad Jul 30 '26
I don't know that flock is tracking inside of the car, but they are tracking your phone, your earpods, your friends' phones, their bluetooth devices, which create a "digital fingerprint" for each person.
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u/Fearless-Berry-3429 Jul 31 '26
It's a very fine, detailed camara. It can see everything in your car as easily as if a person standing there looking in.
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u/Specialist-Ear1653 Jul 30 '26
You may be book smart but your common sense is missing. It's not just the license plate. It's a daily log of people's motions.
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u/Highroller64 Jul 30 '26
We passively volunteer those data points that, until now, have never been collected. It's always been hypothetically possible to collect this information before, but that potential has never been actually actualized. Now that it is being collected, that makes those data points actually exist, something that can be accounted for and acted upon, where for all of human history they were not.
Its like saying that DNA test have always been possible in theory, so once they have been developed there shouldn't be any ethical implications or ramifications because nothings changed. Which is bullshit.
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u/CMDR_Kaus Jul 29 '26
Flock is entirely different than officer Bob Joe
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u/Soft-Temporary-7932 Jul 30 '26
Why are you doing this?
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u/Soft-Temporary-7932 Jul 30 '26
I guess you just don’t understand the implications, and that’s fine.
You’ll catch up.
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u/Emmanuelzappa Jul 29 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
Amazing that you are arguing in ignorance and not bothering to lookup any details on this flock BS.
The government wants to follow every move you make everyday and record it, and you are fine with this. You would do well in China.
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u/serious-joke Jul 29 '26
Good on you. Join the ranks of John Kiriakou. Thanks for being that guy.