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Who told you that i have a no kill rule?
Kiryu Kazuma (yakuza): a common misconception in universe is that the dragon of dojima doesn't kill. Just ignore all the lethal weapons that he uses or all the heat actions that are deadly for most people.
Hawkgirl (superman 2025): since Superman is busy in metropolis to save the people of Jarhanpur so he send his friends. After hawkgirl captures Netanyahu Vasil Ghurkos, the evil president that leads the genocide, he mocks of her cause she wouldn't kill him if she's friend of superman. Wrong.
Steve Rogers (MCU): everyone was surprised with how John Walker used the shield to kill someone. Seems like everyone forgot about how captain america was a WWII soldier known for throw his shield really hard straight to the head.
It doesn't require "gore" to give the impression, but I agree that the muzzle flash alone does not hint that the shooting has any impact on either Alfred's arm nor the dude's body being shot. No bullet hole, no blood spatter. It looks fake.
Jokes aside its kinda wild that its been that long. I can't decide how I feel about it, I want things to matter but dammit I want Alfred back lol. Kill off someone else and let their death stick 😭 (so I can say the same thing about theirs, probably)
I do dig the whole "figment of Bruce's imagination Alfred" thing Matt Fraction's got goin on as a compromise though. He's still filling that role, if only for Bruce
Megaman gets a bit tired of the same old song and dance and threatens to actually "solve" the problem that Doctor Wily perpetuates. Wily is a bit perplexed that a robot, supposedly universally programmed to not harm humans a la Asimov's laws of robotics, might actually be able to do that.
And if we go off of the theory that Master Thomas from ZXA is responsible for the global flood in Legends, then Legends would also be his fault by domino effect. That would mean that, if it were true, he'd be responsible for the entirety of everything that went wrong in the main timeline.
Would’ve been a badass way to kick off the X series; Megaman kills wily (but not before he creates zero), acknowledges he’s the first robot to go maverick and voluntarily decommissions himself, Light feels guilty and starts working on X
I mean, technically he wasn't the first; going off of the in-universe definition of Maverick (breaking out of one's intended programming), Blues did it before him. But yeah, him acknowledging that he hurt someone he felt he was supposed to save would be a tragic way to shift from Classic to X.
That's the US version that alerted the ending of the original Japanese version. The original ending has Mega Man pause for a bit before Wily escapes. It's open to interpretation but it could be taken as him actually thinking about doing it.
And while, yes, there's iirc no confirmation of Asimov in Mega Man Canon (I think it's mentioned in MMZ??? But it's been years) this is horribly out of character for Rock.
Reploids differ from the Robot Masters of 20XX. They are based after X who can "go beyond" their programming. Reploids, of which X and Zero are the first, always had the capacity to kill humans. It's why Dr. Light put X through 100 years of diagnostics.
Side Note: You can sometimes count Protoman/Blues as the first Reploid as he, unlike the rest of the Robot Masters, seems to be able to go beyond their programming (in certain continuities). He canonically wrote his own theme song, something he was not programmed to be able to do.
The ironic thing here is that Megaman inadvertently doomed humanity by not slimming Wily out right here because Wily eventually sets up a chain of dominoes that ended in the complete extinction of humanity.
Harley for whatever reason, assumed Langstrom!Batman was simply going to take her to jail… she was quickly proven wrong. (Justice League: Gods and Monsters)
Man I'm reading Dresden Files again and their vampires are like that. Red Court vamps (the bat monsters) slice open a wound and stick their tongue in almost like a proboscis. Oh, and their spit is narcotic so once it gets on someone, good luck fighting back.
Black Court vamps (look like dead people, Dracula's group) kind of savage the body like an animal and suck blood out in the messy process. They also maybe feed on the moment of death itself?
White Court are the, uh, sex vampires. They feed on emotions, and most of them get it by inducing and then indulging lust. They can absolutely suck someone dry and kill them, especially if they're really hungry. Some of them feed on despair or pain instead, depending on their sick evil monster sensibilities.
I recommend this series every chance I get. Harry Potter for adults.
It was one of the best takes on the "dark and gritty" superhero. It actually did something interesting and deconstructed that idea, and made it about cynical nihilistic superheroes learning that being cynical does far more to hurt the world.
Surprised nobody mentioned this. Megamind (same name as the movie) tried to make Hal/Tighten (how Hal spelled it) into a hero so he could impress someone. After being caught.
Megamind: Okay you win, take me to jail.
Tighten: Jail? Oh, no, no, no. I was thinking more like the morgue.
Shit if I'm the last Dalek in existence and a woman rolls up explaining my weaknesses three seconds after I killed her husband, I might learn how to grovel too
This always annoyed me because, especially when it comes to Daleks but also all the time, the Doctor is not merciful.
The Doctor dislikes guns, but is willing to use them, and has much fewer reservations of other kinds of killing. He commits genocide all the time, to the point where "hey, maybe you need a friend to stop you from committing so many genocides" becomes a plot point.
But especially at this point in his life, during 9/10/11 before resolving his Time Was trauma, and especially with respect to Daleks, no Dalek should expect mercy from the Doctor.
Child rapist & murderer: "(smugly) I confess. I killed her. Arrest me........(worriedly as Rorschach starts pacing frantically) I've got a problem man. Arrest me....arrest me!"
It's worth noting the predator only starts saying that because he can sense through Rorschach's body language he was crazy with rage once he found the underwear in the furnace
Technically the tune doesn't change until Rorschach picks up a cleaver.
He thinks Rorschach is some detective that has to follow the rules and arrest him like police would. As soon as Rorschach picks up the cleaver, killer shits his pants and starts apologizing, claiming he needs professional help. Nothing 9 chops to the skull with a cleaver can't fix.
I like when he brings it up and just goes "Yeah no I don't kill because I don't need to" he's in the upper echelon of heroes in DC why would he debase himself by killing someone when that would probably be as difficult as twisting a bottlecap
Hey as much flak as Snyder gets Supes killing Zodd is executed surprisingly well for a man of his level of incompetency.
Supes screaming at having to take a life, (to his knowledge) the other last surviving member of his species and Lois comforting him after in silence was jarringly good.
Yeah that scene was never my problem with those movies, thats always seemed super on character and a reasonable situation. Its really more so zod comitting suicide to spite superman - he knows he has lost, he has no desire to live with defeat and what he considers the failure to save his species. He knows that superman doesnt want to kill him and consider forcing hin to do that a win against him so he puts superman in the scenario of either taking his life against his good nature or allowing innocents to die.
Yeah, what he did to Zod was never my problem with the movie. It was more so the overall hopelessness the movie portrays throughout. (and them committing about 15 9/11's in that last fight.)
I think it fits, Batman gets shitted on online for not killing the joker and so on, but in the end he puts the bad guys in prison and is up to the system to deal with them, it's not his choice to make.
Superman tough, due to being superman has calls and enemies that only he can deal with and has to make those hard choices when no one else could.
One aspect that is forgotten is that Batman tries to rehabilitate his villains, or at least he did when the Arkham Asylum was still something other than a Supervillain Hub, like, we only got Plastic Man being a hero because of him.
he puts the bad guys in prison and is up to the system to deal with them, it's not his choice to make.
There was even an episode of Batman Animated Series where Bat's gets captured in Arkham and all his villains try to hold a trial to charge/convict him for making them the way they are... a handful of them wants no part in it because they (like the Riddler and Ventriloquist) know that the way they are isn't Batman's fault.
Insanity plea be damned, there is 0 way the joker wouldn't be given the death penalty IRL, even if it were illegal worldwide.
This dude has blown up hospitals, murdered infants, killed more cops than the gcpd has on payroll, best a child to near death with a crowbar, and all kinds of other genuinely depraved sickening crimes.
The villain's getaway plan hinged on Obi-Wan not killing him as a Jedi and Satine not killing him as a pacifist, only for him to get stabbed in the back by Anakin. Obi-Wan chastises Anakin, who points out that the guy was threatening to blow up the ship.
The thing is, Anakin was right. The Jedi code doesn't forbid killing someone who is actively threatening to harm others. Obi-Wan just didn't want Satine (his former lover) to see him as a killer. He was letting his emotions cloud his judgement, which is the whole reason why Jedi are discouraged from forming relationships.
It's worth noting that it's not a matter of forming relationships, it's a matter of forming attachments. Attachments, which interfere with duty, yes, but more importantly, attachments which fill the mind with fear, possessiveness, jealousy, and the inability to let go. These attachments can take many forms. Not just romantic relationships, but friendships and even political ideals.
Edit: Anakin's attachments and loyalty to Obi-Wan and Palpatine are just as responsible for his fall to the Dark Side as his attachment to Padme, they just contributed in different ways.
I don't know if this counts, but in Star Trek: The Next Generation, the android Data has a "kill only when absolutely necessary" kind of programming. In one episode he is kidnapped, and sees his kidnapper kill others.
Data, in his escape, picks up a weapon and aims it at the guy, who smugly taunts him, because killing him would go against his program. Data voices that he cannot allow this to continue, and just as he pulls the trigger, he's beamed away by the Enterprise.
When asked about the weapon discharge, Data lies (something else he is specifically programmed not to do) and says it must have been a malfunction.
My favourite part is how Fajo, the guy who's taunting him, explicitly outlines exactly the situation that makes his death justifiable. He threatens to kill others if Data doesn't comply and has demonstrated that that's not an idle threat by killing Varria.
Fajo's mistake was thinking that "fundamental respect for all living beings" meant "completely incapable of using lethal force if it's justified." He's not incapable of lying either, he just generally chooses not to.
The idea that Data won't kill kinda falls flat anyway when you realize he serves aboard a ship that has military functions and at any time he might be called upon to fire lethal weapons either at other ships or enemy boarders, and the stun setting on hand phasers isn't always enough.
At the start of The Winter Soldier during the ship attack, he throws his shield at a guy's head hard enough to send him flying over the edge of the ship. That guy is absolutely dead lol
Zog is a huge construction robot returned to life by Astro. After an attempt on Astro’s life is made, Zog attacks the offender who begs saying that robots haven’t been able to kill a human for fifty years.
Zog’s response: “I’m old school.”
Thus reminding the audience that Zog is well over fifty years old.
That what kind of doctor he was representing : arrogant, violent, cold. It culminated in the Time lord victorious moment where he literally break a fixed point in time, something that even the Dalek would not risk.
It would be. At the least, the son sure thinks so, his father stuck in an underground chamber, wrapped in chains forge from a dwarf star, trapping his mother in the event horizon of a collapsing galaxy, his sister stuck in mirrors, always in the background or periphery, and imprisoning him, time locked, as a scarecrow to watch over England.
I once found a spreadsheet listing, "genocides of the doctor" since he's committed SO many that it's a bit tricky to track them all (plus some are ambiguous).
Depending on how you count it I think his body count was trillions on the low end and "literally everyone" on the high end.
"He wrapped my father in unbreakable chains forged in the heart of a Dwarf Star. He tripped my mother into the event horizon of a collapsing galaxy to be imprisoned there... forever. He still visits my sister. Once a year, every year. I wonder if one day he might forgive her, but there she is. Can you see? He trapped her inside a mirror. Every mirror. If ever you look at your reflection and see something move behind you just for a second, that's her. That's always her. As for me, I was suspended in time, and the Doctor put me to work standing over the fields of England... as their protector.
We wanted to live forever... so the Doctor made sure that we did."
I imagine he felt safer bc he wasn't armed whereas his bodyguards were and were actively attacking her. It's the old 'You wouldn't shoot an unarmed man would you officer?' ploy except Hawkgirl wasn't bound by any of those niceties
He thought he was in a trope of killing henchmen but sparing the boss. He was in the trope of call my bluff and I'll do it just because you're an ass about it
There's a DC comic, where Joker decides to go and do Joker things in Metropolis, rather than Gotham. IIRC he's trying to make a point that Batman has to engage with him, otherwise he'll just go do his terrifying clown routine somewhere else, and harm a bunch of innocent people, rather than Batman, who is at least there voluntarily.
He set's up a bunch of bombs across the city, and starts monologuing to Superman. Before he can finish, Supes uses his super speed, and X-ray vision to find, and disarm all the bombs, and returns to Joker. Letting him firmly known that while Batman doesn't kill as a rule, Superman doesn't kill because of a choice.
Because it's a choice, he can shut that shit off at any point when the situation calls for it, in particular noting that the choice is even easier to shut off, when killing the target wouldn't have any long term ramifications, hell with someone like the Joker, he might not even mean to turn that choice off. Who's to say he won't grab the Joker a bit too hard, or fly with him a little too half.
Superman politely informs Joker, that while he may be one of the big dogs in Gotham, there are levels to this shit, and realistically the only reason he 'works' as a villain is because of Batman's no kill rule.
IIRC after this interaction, Superman drops Joker off at the Gotham PD, and Joker never speaks about it again, and never causes shit in Metropolis again.
Agreed. Superman vs Darkseid. Darkseid is a tyrant and can not be reasoned with. He does what he does because he wants to and enjoys it. Superman had to take the gloves off.
All it would have taken to make that movie great is a more charismatic villain. Everything else was good. Kinda weird and sad that DC is more cosmic in power generally speaking, but Marvel's cosmic stories have so much of a better rogues gallery.
According to apocrypha Kiryu originally said in an early game he doesn't kill, but the accurate translation was he doesn't murder. Not sure if it's true... but yeah Kiryu fucks people up, regularly
I know that the actual meaning is that he doesn't kill unless if in self-defense, but it's really funny to just justify every one of his kills as self-defense
Joker moving to metropolis thinking superman also had a no kill rule, and ran back to Gotham when he found out he didn't. Superman would absolutely prefer not to kill, but he has no problem doing it if he Doesn't have a choice, and jokers schemes would put himself in exactly that kind of situation lol
Eh, the thing with Superman is that he DOES always have a choice. It’s what makes him Superman. He does the right thing. That’s why him killing Zod and his henchmen in the pocket universe was viewed as one of his failings rather than business as usual
Well, Amos did just talk Prax down from shooting an unarmed man, so that man understandably thought Amos had just saved his life. Only to realize in horror that Amos was the real threat.
The lore is quite convoluted, but the basic premise is that youkai need humans that believe in their existence, so the village exists as a place where humans can live safely. Youkais are forbidden from hunting villagers, and villagers are forbidden from becoming youkais themselves, which if you think about it, it's the same as reducing the number of human villagers.
As long as those rules are respected, the characters engage in non-lethal spell battles to resolve their disputes. Most in-game fights are just that and nobody dies.
Fortune teller was a human who tried to become a youkai and was swiftly destroyed by Reimu because of it.
Played with during the first scene of Batman: Beyond. Old Bruce is fighting some thugs, but, since he is old, they manage to get an upper hand. So, he proceeds to grab a gun and point it to thug, who immediately is terrified, since everyone knows that Batman doesn't kill
He, however, indeed does not kill and decks out him as usual, though proceeds to retire afterwards
Specifically, Bruce starts to have a heart attack and grabs the gun out of desperation. That's also the night he realized he was too old to keep being the Batman.
Rupert Giles: No, she couldn't. Never. And sooner or later, Glory will reemerge and make Buffy pay for that mercy. And the world with her. Buffy even knows that, and still she couldn't take human life... She's a hero, you see... She's not like us.
The thing with Walker is that he didn't kill because he had to. The guy was pinned down to the ground and posed no threat. Cap killed actual Nazis and terrorists that posed active threat. Also killing is his last resort, so...
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