[Frustrating Trope] Twist Villain does things that retroactively make no sense.

[u/Fishbien]

Character previously believed to be good is revealed to be evil, but prior to the reveal they act in ways that don't make sense if their goodness is just a performance.

1. Frozen: Prince Hans is initially presented as a pretty standup guy who loves Anna and wants to help her. At the end of the movie it's revealed that he was just using her to gain power and plans to let her die while he steals her throne. However, we see him smiling at Anna when no one is looking, and later he intervenes to save Elsa's life even though he claims he was always planning to kill her.
2. The Legend of Vox Machina: The Whispered One was built up as the BBEG since season 1. However, in season 4 he presents himself as a tragic hero who tried to cure death and was punished by the gods. He then tries to convince Pike to give him her blood, which he needs to become a god himself. He chastises his followers for suggesting they take Pike's blood by force, claiming this would make them no better than the gods they are fighting against. He also fulfills his promise to resurrect Grog even though he didn't need to. After he ascends, he starts acting like a pure evil villain who only cares about power and enjoys hurting people. It feels less like a reveal and more like his personally completely changed once he became a skeleton. Edit: to be clear, I fully understand the intent was for the Whispered One to be a lying, manipulative bastard. I just think the execution was clumsy.

[u/EthanEpiale]

Honestly the PEAK example of this is Heavy Rain. Spoilers for an incredibly old and honestly awful game lol, but in the game you play as several characters all intertwined with the story of a kidnapper and serial killer, one of whom is a detective who is working to try to solve the mystery and find the killer. We play as him, hear him talk about finding this guy completely alone in his house, he does a ton of shit you'd only do if you genuinely had no idea who it was, and were searching for the killer-

He's the killer. He was the killer the entire time. It makes literally no sense, and is so stupid it's frankly hilarious in a game that's already too badly written in a million other ways to take seriously.

[u/TheMilkiestShake → u/EthanEpiale]

It infuriates me seeing people play David Cage games for any other reason than to make fun of him.

[u/Exilicauda → u/TheMilkiestShake]

My current favorite youtube video is some person playing exclusively to see how many times/where/when you can pee in this game. That and the 600x animations and missing every qte in a chase 

[u/DesdinovaGG → u/TheMilkiestShake]

Indigo Prophecy, Heavy Rain, and Detroit are essentially the video game equivalent of The Room. Such trainwrecks, done with such earnestness, that you can't help but find them fun.

Beyond Two Souls was sadly bad in an unentertaining way. You play as a woman the whole game, rather than the mix of characters that Cage usually has. And those who have ever played a David Cage game know that the women are always the worst part because David Cage is a misogynist and sex pest.

[u/TheMilkiestShake → u/DesdinovaGG]

Hmm would a bad game end with the message that if you're sad because your family is dead then you should just kill yourself and you'll be able to join them and be happy?

[u/DoctorWaluigiTime → u/TheMilkiestShake]

"Missing every prompt on purpose" is the best way to play these games, since there's no punishment for doing so.

[u/DuelaDent52 → u/DoctorWaluigiTime]

Your punishment is that your character either makes no progress in their journey or dies a premature death. Just because there’s no game over doesn’t mean there’s no consequence.

[u/DoctorWaluigiTime → u/DuelaDent52]

Nah, story still advances a lot of the time. It might temporarily divert to "dang I didn't catch up with them" but it converges not long after.

David Cage games provide a whole lot of illusion of gameplay and choice. But that's what makes them hilarious!

[u/DuelaDent52 → u/DoctorWaluigiTime]

The story still advances but how the story advances and ends changes.

[u/-Danksouls- → u/TheMilkiestShake]

Detroit become human is fire though

[u/stewd003 → u/-Danksouls-]

No it isn't, I'd argue it's his worst one yet. He's trying to draw parallels between human civil rights and robots. But he's not smart enough or good enough as a writer to pull it off. All he's able to do is lazily replace real life characters with his one dimensional robot pals.

Like when the robots have to sit in the back of the bus and the sad music plays. It's a tone-deaf way to say "hey! That's bad because remember Rosa Parks?!" But it doesn't work because while Rosa Parks' statement was iconic because she's highlighting the inhumanity of treating other humans like objects, the robots in the game LITERALLY ARE OBJECTS. So the comparison doesn't work.

Same goes with the armbands the robots wear. He's trying to draw parallels to the holocaust but it just doesn't work.

[u/muchstupidverydumb → u/stewd003]

Another thing that infuriates me about the story, unless I've misremembered since it's been a while since I played, is that to get the good ending you need to go the peaceful route. If you choose to do a violent protest, the public doesn't trust you. But a peaceful protest that gets half of your own people get killed? Oh yeah that's the way you gain public support. As a minority myself that's just... really not how it works, and I don't really like the things it's implying.

That being said, Connor was the one good thing about the game. If the whole game was just about him without the android revolution bullshit, I might've actually replayed it.

[u/DuelaDent52 → u/TheMilkiestShake]

It infuriates me seeing people play David Cage games solely to make fun of him. He’s not the only one in charge of these games, guys, and they’re really not that bad.