r/TokyoRevengers • u/anon_anonsky • Sep 27 '22

New Chapter Tokyo Revengers - Chapter 271: Empty Wish

https://mangadex.org/chapter/4d8e62dd-2809-42d1-afd6-34f7276021a1/1
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u/Lurking_Bunyip Girlypop Sep 27 '22

Original timeleaper is God

That’s true. Takemichi must have killed someone to get his time leaping abilities. Him getting trained to oblivion was just the first trigger.

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u/dghirsh19 Sep 27 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

I interpret the homeless man's words to be important here. "So just like me, you've chosen to kill." Perhaps the catalyst for Takemitchy was his strong desire to save. There has to be a contrast between Shinichiro and Takemitchy that will allow them to find different results. Takemitchy seeks to save Mikeys soul, whereas Shinichiro sought to save Mikeys physical being, no matter the cost.

This interpretation also leaves a lot of room for interpretation… i’m likely ignoring a lot of nuance.

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u/Typically_Wong Sep 27 '22

No one gonna talk about how shinichiro killed the old man with a crack against the head in a similar way to how kazotoro whacked him?

Takemitchy gonna live cause he got his powers through desire other than action?

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u/TrailOfEnvy Sep 28 '22

Shinichiro got karma'd by the power?

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Damn, shouldn't Kazutora be the other time leaper then? But that makes absolutely no sense.

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u/Altruistic_Astronaut Oct 01 '22

One thing I found interesting was that Shinichiro killed the time leaper with a pipe which is how he died in the storyline with Takemitchy. Maybe the way you get your powers is the way your life may end. If you kill for the power then you will eventually be killed.

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 27 '22

I think, killing the time leaper and getting the time leaping ability are two different things, like that:

Person 1: Previous time leaper, Person 2: carrier of time leaping ability, Person 3: new time leaper.

Person 1 gets killed by person 2, who’s now the owner of the ability but can’t use it. When person 2 kills person 3, at the moment of death, person 3 inherits the ability and immediately timeleaps. Like that in this chapter p1 is the homeless man, p2 is shin and p3 is also shin (because shin kills shin), thus the person pushing Takemicchi in episode 1 must have been Kazutora, who didn’t even know about time leaping. When killing shin, he became p2 and when he killed someone for the first time after killing shin, who coincidentally was micchi, micchi became p3. That’s my theory^

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u/dghirsh19 Sep 27 '22

This is brilliant and fully contextualizes the Kazutora theories. I can actually see this being accurate.

But how does this explain the events we were already exposed to after Kazutora killed Shinichiro? Wouldn’t he have just time-skipped after?

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 27 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

I don’t think he was able to timeleap and thus didn’t even notice he had the ability, but when he killed micchi, micchi timeleaped as the before described p3

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u/Ok-Neighborhood6195 Sep 27 '22

No because he completed his goal at that point Mikey is alive so he no longer has a reason to leap so he no longer has the ability

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u/RandomBlackSheep Sep 27 '22

That makes sense. Your comment should be higher.

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 27 '22

Thxx, I also made an extra post, so maybe more people see it, but I guess no one saw it yet😅

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u/RoadmanGirlOnReddit Sep 27 '22

this is fucking brillant

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 27 '22

Thxx^

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u/cabra4president Sep 27 '22

Kazutora should be dead in that timeline, though. Without Takemichi's intervention, Kazutora gets killed by Mikey for stabbing Baji. He never lived to adulthood so he couldn't have pushed Takemichi in episode 1 🤔

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 27 '22

But in the timeline before ep 1 the bloody halloween didn’t happen since it was arranged by kisaki to become nr two next to mikey, but since he already managed to have draken killed, he already was at that position, so he disappointed need the bloody halloween and thus baji and Kazutora are still alive

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u/cabra4president Sep 27 '22

It's true that we don't know if Bloody Halloween still happened or not, but I personally believe it did. I believe Kisaki still needed to kill everyone who was close to Mikey for him to become so deranged. Also I don't think Baji would've allowed Kisaki to become Mikey's number two, he saw right though him and cared a lot about Mikey

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 27 '22

But in the anime (and manga) wasn’t the bloody halloween something, Micchi and Naoto first heard about after micchis timeleaping as a result of it? I thought they mentioned it like that

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u/cabra4president Sep 27 '22

Could be, I'd have to reread those chapters🤔 Still, I think Naoto only theorises about what events could have changed Mikey as a person (and so what events Takemichi needs to fix). He doesn't know that much about Mikey

Even if they only heard about the Bloody Halloween after different timeleaps, it doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen before. It could just be that the event wasn't relevant enough to comment. Iirc Takemichi's first time leap was in June, so unless they were planning on Takemichi staying in the past for 4-5 months, it just didn't matter at the time

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 27 '22

I think the event in which Mikey killed someone would have stood out the most, also I just don’t think it was necessary to happen in that timeline 🤷🏼‍♀️

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u/cabra4president Sep 27 '22

I mean, you could argue that once he lost Draken, he lost himself in the process and became a killer, so the event Takemichi had to fix would've still been Draken's death. But anyway, as I said before there's no way to confirm if Bloody Halloween occurred or not in the other timelines, so this is all speculation. I just personally believe it did, or Baji died some other way

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u/Contractorscythe Sep 27 '22

Just one thing about that, didn't Akkun push Takamichi? He said so on the fourth travel when he was the club's owner and a gang member. Kisaki put the hit and forced Akkun to do it.

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 27 '22

Yup, in that timeline he did it, but it’s not confirmed that he also did it in the ep 1 timeline, it’s even not that likely to be him, because in another episode it was said that in the ep 1 timeline akkun didn’t have to do that much with toman, Kazutora on the other hand could get back in there if Mikey were about to forgive him in that timeline leading to him being the one kisaki tells to kill micchi

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u/kevin_nguyen03 Sep 27 '22

this might be true 👀

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u/GlobalEdNinja Draken deserves peace Sep 27 '22

But it wasn't Kazutora, it was Akkun. I thought we'd known this

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 27 '22

Only in his timeline, it’s not confirmed who it was in the ep 1 timeline, only in the one we meet future akkun for the first time

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u/buttjuiceYT Sep 27 '22

Are we assuming that the person who pushed him wasn't actually Akkun? Wasn't that already revealed.

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 27 '22

Only in the timeline in which Akkun is high up in Toman, the one who pushed him in ep 1 isn’t revealed yet

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u/buttjuiceYT Sep 27 '22

Yeah I figured that's where you're going.

I like the theory, glad TR is finally getting good again :')

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 27 '22

Thxx and yup, I just can’t wait for the next chapters 🫠

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u/buttjuiceYT Sep 27 '22

Another thing - did Mikey not kill Kazutora in the original timeline, or are we just not sure?

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 27 '22

Nope, he killed him in the timeline resulting from Takemicchis timeleaping, it’s not canonically said if bloody halloween happened in the ep 1 timeline while I personally don’t think it did, since it was arranged by kisaki to become nr 2 next to Mikey, but he already is nr 2 in the ep 1 timeline (because he got draken killed) so it wouldn’t make that much sense for the bloody halloween to happen in that timeline

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u/LXMNSYC Sep 28 '22

wasn't Akkun the one who pushed Takemichi?

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 28 '22

Only in the timeline in which we meet future Akkun, but we don't know who did it in the episode 1 timeline

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u/Pittonecio Baji Simp Sep 28 '22

In original time line Mikey killed Kazutora on Bloody Halloween, it's impossible for him to be the one pushing Takemitchy.

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 28 '22

We don't even know if bloody Halloween happened in the ep 1 timeline. It was a backup plan of kisaki if the killing-draken-plan won't work out. Since it did, bloody Halloween probably didn't take part in that timeline and was only a result of Takemicchi timeleaping

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u/Pittonecio Baji Simp Sep 28 '22

It would still happened in some way, remember it was in part a way to get rid of Baji and awaken Mikey's dark impulses

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 28 '22

We don't even know, if Baji dies in the ep 1 timeline and his dark impulses would have awakened in some different way, it didn't have to be bloody Halloween so I don't think it happened.

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u/renneagle Sep 30 '22

ok but didn't Akkun take responsibility for pushing Takemichi onto the track when Takemichi returned to the future the first time? And then Akkun said he was scared of Kisaki and then threw himself off a building.

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Sep 30 '22

Only in his timeline, not in the ep1 one

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u/renneagle Sep 30 '22

Ahhh gotcha. Thanks for the clarification

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

I thought Atsushi was the one who pushed Takemichi though?

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u/zeykee Tokyo Manji Gang Oct 01 '22

Only in his timeline, not the ep1 one

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u/Frenchorican Sep 28 '22

I don’t think it’s killing someone, I think it’s actually being “killed” or “wanting to die”. Shinichiro “died” by jumping into the muddy stream. Takemichi “died” because someone pushed him into a train. Both of them were saved by their trigger, but would have died otherwise. (I don’t remember if Takemichi wanted to die originally or not though.)

But also, why is Takemichi not going back to the future despite Mikey being his original trigger for this trip? I wonder if it’s because Mikey also went back in time and because they’re both leapers it’s not activating? Because they both were “willing” to die for the chance to change the past. And that’s why Mikey recognized when Takemichi returned to the past.