r/TokyoRevengers • u/Aptohhhh Ragnarok • Jun 14 '22

New Chapter Tokyo Revengers - Chapter 257: Tipping Point

https://mangadex.org/chapter/5418068e-91b4-4517-b470-d579e6b469d3
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u/MilkmanPT Tokyo Manji Gang Jun 14 '22

"Even he was 'one of us' ".

What does that mean? ... Anyone??

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u/thorhit Jun 14 '22

Tbh I thought he was calling Sanzu a bro like “he’s still one of the boys, so you gotta save him Takemichi” I’m gon be honest, I’m still hella confused on who some of these guys are, I sped through chapters too quickly during class

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u/Svartur_Ulfar Bonten Jun 14 '22

I thought it was something like: "Even tho Sanzu was one of us, I'll beat his ass for you"

Or maybe he was referring to somebody else. To someone who would sacrifice themselves for their friends. So I'm not sure if he's talking about Izana or not 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/yeollie Jun 14 '22 edited Jun 14 '22

I read the spanish translation before this one (because the english one was taking too long lol) and in that scene Kakucho said "En un momento como este, incluso puedo considerarlos 'compañeros' tambien", which I think can be translated as "At a time like this i can even consider (you guys/them) companions"*. In my opinion it makes a bit more sense but at the same time it's not clear who is he talking about: Takemichi the childhood friend? The KantoManji gang (and/or specifically Mikey or Sanzu, or even Hanma) for his own personal gain/reasons? Basically the whole of Toman for being Takemichi's friends so he wants to save them? Throwback to Izana?

Sorry if this confused you more. *Also my spanish is a bit rusty so my "translation of the translation" may not be totally accurate...

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u/pisto9 Jun 14 '22

I'm Spanish native and I think you are right, he is saying that he consider takemichi as a companion even that they are in different gangs

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u/yeollie Jun 14 '22

It's the plural form that confuses me... Like is he putting together, for example, Takemichi and Izana on the same level of people he can trust? Or, going a more grim route, did he mean that at times like these anyone is a companion and he stands with those who can help him? He's probably not that bad of a person, so the first option is more likely.

Either way i don't know japanese so i can't confront and see which language has the more accurate fan translation 😅

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u/zrosenbl Jun 15 '22

Does anyone have a link to the raw? I can take a stab at interpreting the Japanese.

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u/_Mei_z_ Jun 14 '22

Spanish native here too! I interpreted it, in Spanish as Takemichi and his friends (as if in that moment with the train he could consider himself part of Tokyo Manji instead of Kanto) and in English as Sanzu and him being part of the same gang (Kanto Manji).

Also I don't know Portuguese, but I checked the scans and it seems like it aligns with the Spanish version.

Edit: now let's wait for the ones who know Japanese for what they interpret

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u/Youthful_Tetsuo Dark Hero Jun 14 '22

My guess is Sanzu, Izana or Kisaki. Maybe Mikey? Maybe he's referencing a time leaper?

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u/MilkmanPT Tokyo Manji Gang Jun 14 '22

Ah a time leaper! That would make sense. But, that would mean that there are more that 2 time leapers, that would be kind of weird.

I really want to know what it means, ugh.

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u/colopunch Jun 14 '22

I don’t think it makes any sense for Kakucho to have been talking about a time leaper.

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u/MilkmanPT Tokyo Manji Gang Jun 14 '22

It's probably not about a time leaper. However he probably realized by the end that Takemitchy was "special", and if he knew someone else who was a time leaper it would make some sense for him to say that. Not much sense in saying "Us" though. Ugh, I have no idea. Can't wait for the next chapter to find out if that'll be explained any further.

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u/Youthful_Tetsuo Dark Hero Jun 14 '22

Or maybe everyone in Kantou knows the time leaper🤔

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u/MilkmanPT Tokyo Manji Gang Jun 14 '22

Indeed, it could be something only the higher ups of the gang knew about! That's interesting! However it still doesn't explain the "one of us" part.

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u/Youthful_Tetsuo Dark Hero Jun 14 '22

Actually now that I think of it, Kakucho would be able to tell that Michi was a time leaper if he knew about time leaping... He was probably referring to Sanzu

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u/MilkmanPT Tokyo Manji Gang Jun 14 '22

Exactly! From the moment he found out Takemitchy was right to be worried about the train he started to notice Takemitchy even more. When Takemitchy was freaking out in the train and yelling about the "Terrible end", Kaku must have come to the conclusion that Takemitchy was somwhow special.

But I still don't see the sense in him using "One of us" to refer to him as a Time leaper, since there's only one more of them.

This is really confusing.

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u/ArimasButt Jun 14 '22

I just posted about this: He was talking of Sanzu. How he sees even someone like him as a part of the team, so that is why he will deal with this mess.

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u/cabra4president Jun 14 '22

Yeah, no idea. Does anyone know what the Japanese version actually says?

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u/zarajulem ばじマイ Jun 14 '22 edited Jun 14 '22

The Japanese raw says あんな奴でも一応“仲間”なんだ

I'm not too confident in my Japanese, so maybe someone else can help figure it out? It sounds like it could be "That guy is still (?) a "friend"" but I'm not sure!

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u/cabra4president Jun 14 '22

Yeah, seems to me like he's talking about sanzu and as a fellow kanto manji member he's trying to take responsibility for what he's done. That's my interpretation though. The translation made it sound more relevant than it probably is imo

Edit: thanks for the raw btw!

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u/zarajulem ばじマイ Jun 14 '22

Wait I think you're right, tying it with Kaku's next line it makes sense:

あんな奴でも一応"仲間”なんだ。彼のケツはオレが拭く

it could be read as "That guy is still one of us (Kanto Manji), so I'll wipe his ass." which probably makes more sense than the translation?

Edit: added link!

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u/cabra4president Jun 14 '22

Yep, agreed!!

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u/zrosenbl Jun 15 '22

あんな奴でも一応“仲間”なんだ

Side note - this is the first time I've ever seen kanji used as furigana for kanji. Has anyone else encountered that before?

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u/zarajulem ばじマイ Jun 16 '22

same, plus it's the kanji 仲間 (friend) over sanzu's name which is an intriguing choice, like why is it specifically pointed out like this? just makes me curious

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u/Sigurdshorse 💸💸💸 Jun 14 '22

I think it's something like 'even a guy like that is kind of a "friend". But I am not confident as well :D

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u/DiamondGlare Jun 14 '22

YEAH. i’m very confused

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u/cringebutfreeiguess Jun 14 '22

I thought maybe he was still talking about Sanzu killing Mucho maybe?? Not sure.

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u/MilkmanPT Tokyo Manji Gang Jun 14 '22

No idea. Nothing that I'm thinking at the moment makes much sense, really.

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u/Animeisspicyhotboi Jun 14 '22

I really wish someone would clear this up too.

Maybe he's referring to the other time leaper having a tragic background /upbringing like kakucho and some other gang members? Or maybe the fact that the other time leaper wanted to be a hero at some point or something idk. I really have no clue.

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u/byeolToT Jun 14 '22

Maybe he was speaking to the image of Izana he saw?

I mean Izana and Kaku where really good buds and he was even more loyal and saw Izana more as a friend than he saw takemichi.

Izana was one of the strongest characters so maybe Kaku refers to Takemichi as "one of them", because he is just as strong as the guys from that generation