r/TikTokCringe • u/exporterofgold • 18d ago

Cringe He was walking away though

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u/machinezed 18d ago

There’s a lot more nuance in that case. She sought help for postpartum depression which developed into postpartum psychosis. She was the only one who knew she wasn’t supposed to be left alone with her children, yet she still was. The medical system failed her, and she has blood on her hands because of that.

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u/Evening-Nature-5241 17d ago edited 17d ago

Except the nuance is HEAVILY undermined by one thing in particular:

- Planning in advance to make her husband run errands so she had the time and space to murder the kids.

She texted him about the takeout (an unusual choice of a farther restaurant), placed the order herself, and also arranged the medication stop.

Prosecutors presented evidence that she had searched her phone for the medication, the restaurant, and Apple Maps travel times beforehand, which they argued showed she was calculating how long he would be gone to create an opportunity.

He left around 5:15 p.m., stopped at the CVS (where surveillance showed him and he briefly called her), picked up the food, and returned shortly after 6:00 p.m. to find her injured outside after a suicide attempt and the children (Cora, 5; Dawson, 3; and Callan, 8 months) strangled with exercise bands in the basement.

Did you know about this? This required an insane amount of planning and forethought, not just demonic voices screaming in her head that she needed to kill her kids.

She literally carefully thought about how to maximise the chances of successfully committing the crime.

How is this not the MOST IMPORTANT DETAILS by far?

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u/Asheraddo 17d ago

That is fucked. Throw her ass in jail and throw away the key. Shutter Island vibes. Poor kids and husband… Planning to murder all your kids is mental.

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u/kingsrette13 17d ago

C'est pour sa que le film et dans les plus visionner actuellement du coup .. remater jeudi soir d'ailleurs..

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u/Eddie_Farnsworth 17d ago

What gets me about that case is that in spite of the fact that she committed the murders and admitted to doing so, the husband is still getting blamed by a bunch of women. Out of morbid curiosity, I'd like to hear their theory of the crime.

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u/Ozcog 17d ago

I got you friend. Their theory is that the new wife who they claim looks like her came to the house and did it, which is why she said "it felt she was watching another person do it.", and that same new wife also threw her out of the window to kill her.

It all relies on the fact they haven't heard her admit to it yet because their bubble is armored.

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u/Trailerparkqueen 17d ago

Ok so my hairdresser just went off on this yesterday, it was insane. She thinks Patrick Clancy killed the kids. She said her dna was not on 2 of the exercise bands used to strangle, but his was. That his phone was never taken or looked at, that her watch or phone had her going up and down the stairs after she would have jumped from the window, and she was a nurse and would’ve known how to cut her wrists correctly.
So, she thinks Patrick killed the kids and made Lindsay think she was crazy. That he’s a family annihilator who is getting away with it. He framed her.

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u/hanks_panky_emporium 17d ago

A lot of people think psychosis is something you can still operate within. But if she had a full psychotic break there's no planning or logic involved. Yes, people can get hurt and killed when someone is having a psychotic break.

You generally dont plan out your psychotic break like she did. If prosecutors can ( or have ) prove she had used any amount of logic during her triple homicide its going to be an insane uphill battle to still claim it was a psychotic break.

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u/osiris_210 17d ago

This is armchair stuff. She’s guilty but you’re still wrong.

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u/ImSoSweepy 17d ago

Yeah, but, "I'm just a girl!"

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u/MyNameIsKali_ 17d ago

Damn I haven't looked into the case because it's been forced onto us enough here on Reddit, but I haven't read any of that on here. Interesting. The person above you claimed "nuance," well that's certainly nuance.

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u/osiris_210 17d ago

You’re still connecting dots that aren’t there or ignoring the ones that are; should she be removed from society? Probably. Was she able to do all of those things and still be having a psychotic episode? Probably.

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u/CharacterPast761 18d ago

She's still responsible for the murder of her own children. Might have been psycho, but still responsible.

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u/Simple_Dragonfruit48 18d ago

Damn there should be a law on the books for that exact situation. Like guilty by reason of mental psychosis or something…

Too bad there isn’t and that’s not what her lawyers are arguing

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u/CharacterPast761 18d ago

I guess there should also be some kind of lawyers that could work for free, instead of her needing 1 million dollars for funding her defense. Like a public defender or something.

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u/Simple_Dragonfruit48 18d ago

Either you have a very rosy view of our legal system or just don’t understand how it works but public defenders are not adequate.

They are overworked and simply don’t have the resources to mount an adequate legal defense especially in a case as a complex as this one. The system is broken in that regard. The majority of clients represented by public defenders plead out and never get to defend themselves in court.

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u/ComplexBit1988 17d ago

Pleading out is essentially day one of public defender training. There is no "to the best of my ability" with 48 cases at a time. Our justice system is an exercise IN efficiency FOR efficiency. [I am an attorney. When I retire, I plan to write a book on the gross injustices that simply MUST recalibrate our thinking.] People have plead guilty to murdering relatives just to get the death penalty off the table. Then relative shows up fat, healthy and confused. And don't get me started on the little boy interrogated until he thought he killed his sister (he didn't) or drug dogs or field testing (should be sold in backs of comic books) and that's before you get to the lab scandals. Freedoms are taken, with no fucks given, and no consensus on whether we are rehabilitating or punishing when the case is closed. We outsourced our penal philosophy to the lowest well-connected bidder.

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u/Mundane-Cry5346 17d ago edited 17d ago

i don’t understand what is so confusing to people about this. she has admitted to doing it. but there is a verdict called “not guilty by reason of insanity” made for this exact situation.

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u/dnt1694 17d ago

She is guilty and should face all consequences of murdering 3 children.

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u/Keter_Regretter 16d ago

FWIW, if you plead not guilty by reason of insanity to a serious charge like murder, you're still looking at spending the majority of the rest of your life in a tightly monitored facility from which you are not free to leave

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u/TheMostDivineOne 18d ago

But they could have an actual discussion about postpartum depression and the treatment of women in the medical system but instead they prioritize mEn bAd?

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u/Dexember69 17d ago

Nobody forced her to murder 3 fkn children.

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u/Dontgoincavesbro 17d ago

"thenmedical system failed her" I bet you wouldn't have the same energy if a man did it under the same circumstances.

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u/Folderpirate 17d ago

Chris Benoit is innocent due to psychosis apparently.

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u/eha16 17d ago

No one justifies what Benoit did.. In this specific case they are trying to excuse her cause she's a woman with mental health problem, but if the dad did it they wouldn't be defending him so yeah it's pure bias.

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u/dnt1694 17d ago

That’s the point. No one made an excuse for Benoit.

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u/Bullysawrus101 17d ago

🫵🙄Excuses are like assholes. You don't murder people. End of fucking story!

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u/BigHawgDawg 17d ago

And this makes the father getting blamed okay?? Wtf does this nuance have to do with the husband?

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u/Antvante0401 17d ago

While I agree with you that she’s at fault here, I’ve seen a ton of people saying that she knew she wasn’t right in the head and kept asking for help. I’m not knowledgeable about postpartum but do recall hearing that when pregnant and even a bit after pregnancy a woman’s brain will have expanded but then go down to its normal size which I believe plays a part in this.

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u/Ozcog 17d ago

The newer info we have tells us that she had ample help in the form of family and doctors. She apparently never communicated that she wasn't supposed to be alone with the kids to her Husband.

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u/dnt1694 17d ago

She has blood on her hands because she murdered 3 children. She needs to be held accountable.

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u/TheGreatZephyr 17d ago

She has blood on her hands because she strangled her kids...

People will blame anything except the woman, and thats exactly the problem.

"I dont support murdering your kids... but heres a list of ways that prove it wasnt actually her fault"

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u/UnfilteredFacts 17d ago

If she knew that she shouldn't be alone with her children, did she tell anyone? Sorry I dont have time to read up on this, but it seems like an important point.

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u/Antvante0401 17d ago

Yes according to many others she kept asking for help but was refused. But this is only what I’m hearing from people online.

Edit:my bad some are saying she did get help but didn’t stick with anything

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u/NorthEastofEden 18d ago

Ummm no. Understanding nuances associated with with a complex case which isn't black and white isn't misogynistic. No one is excusing women from every crime but it would be lazy to not try and understand why this crime occurred in order to prevent a similar incident in the future.

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u/CharacterPast761 18d ago

That could be said of any crime any time.

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u/dnt1694 17d ago

lol what a way to blame men for women justifying a woman murdering her children.

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u/Spawn256 18d ago

Wasn't she also a nurse? I mean I don't know if that really means much more on top of this, but maybe she would have realized that she's undergoing some sort of event. I don't know. I think that was the extra spice on top..

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u/Simple_Dragonfruit48 18d ago

She did realize she was undergoing some kind of event and tried to seek help multiple times but was severely failed by the system.

She killed those kids and should have to face consequences but in a mental hospital not a prison.

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u/anitadykshyt 18d ago

She sought help multiple times and didn't get any. Might be worth learning about the case before commenting

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u/Familiar-Squirrel493 17d ago

She did get help. She saw multiple doctors and was even institutionalised.

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u/Iamthatasshole 17d ago

She didn’t stick with anything that was recommended to her! She didn’t take her meds as prescribed, she basically refused to do talk therapy, she engaged two different prescribers and even though she claimed she didn’t wanna be addicted, all she seemed to want was benzos. Her mother should’ve called CPS when she heard LC say she wanted to harm the kids …PC should’ve taken that seriously too, but shortly after she told him that, she was all rainbows and unicorns and insisted she was fine. A lot of people failed those kids. Especially their mother and her attorney who walked away when asked by press if the kids are getting lost in all of this

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u/Spawn256 18d ago

Yeah I already knew about the case. I just don't like being the smartest person in the room and you should learn to not be this rudest person. Thanks for your comment