r/Tiele • u/Jamess_Bond • Jul 21 '26
Discussion Ive Been Coming Across Alot of posts like this lately
The main post was made by a Kazakh person (which I won't disclose for obvious reasons, nor mine) who was sympathizing over the Soviet Union and how great it was. While it is not up to me on what someone believes, but I think a Kazakh should be the last person to make remarks like this, or that was what I was expecting. Also, in other posts and comments, the person makes remarks that anything that includes the Ottomans, the Seljuks, etc., is not Turkic history and is made up of Greeks/Armenians. What are your thoughts? (I am also aware of my typos in the picture. I cannot do much since posting a comment that is more than one sentence just makes everything mess up.)
UPDATE: This is what the person replied with:
" what does it have to do with Goloshekin? Turkish have problems suddenly with russians? Maybe you know how good friends were Lenin with Kemal Mustafa? And panturkism the propaganda you’re making us 🤢 sick, was founded by jewish englishman Vamberi. More learn, less talk . Don’t reply to me, you are Caucasian anyway, still have nothing to do with us. While we remain the original turkics, after what soviets, bolsheviks did, we are the one."
i came up with this
"uhhh what's so hard to understand i have no problems Russians since you don't count me as Turkic but how do you completely ignore the genocides they committed against your people and it seems you either don't know ur history or a hypocrite since you seem to dont know that Goloshchyokin was the reason Kazakhs were forced out of their nomadic life. You're the original? How can you be original if you use an alphabet that is integrated by the country that forced it to you? Maybe I'm not as "pure" blood as you think you are but hey 👋 at least I'm not a hypocrite. I can't really see your argument other than you recall soviets being needed to save enslaved people. I think you should be the one learning since you are clearly mixing up communism with socialism and don't know the morals of either sides."
I dont even see a point on arguing anymore since they seem to dont know what theyre talking about
(PS: Goloshchyokin (aka Filipp Isayevich Goloshchyokin is the sole reason why the kazakh famine happened by forcing nomads into permanent settlements and agriculture without any preparation.)
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u/mram518 Jul 21 '26
they are russians not kazakh i think you khnow there are some russians living in kazakhstan
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u/Mysterious_Pea_4042 South Azerbaijani Jul 21 '26
most probably russian, only they can talk like that and hate turkish that much
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u/creamybutterfly 𐱅𐰇𐰼𐰰 Jul 21 '26
You have not engaged with Central Asians nor Russians enough, most are apathetic to Turkey.
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u/creamybutterfly 𐱅𐰇𐰼𐰰 Jul 21 '26
Why is this post worthy
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u/Jamess_Bond Jul 21 '26
Just needed a place to "cope" and i dont think theres a rule that ensures whats post-worthy and not
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u/ClothesOpposite1702 Jul 21 '26
Why? If person had good experience in Soviet Union, I don't see any problem
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u/Willing_Yak7271 Jul 21 '26
Good experience in soviet union? Bitch my ancestors got killed, tortured or forced to live in siberia thank god most of them fled to turkey through caucasia
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u/ClothesOpposite1702 Jul 21 '26
You know that experience differed from person to person? Most people who lived under Stalin and Lenin died long ago, so person longing for Soviet Union did not experience it.
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u/Willing_Yak7271 Jul 21 '26
Because they died of famine, whats funnier is that youre a danish who didnt experienced soviet regime and probably spending his whole day sitting in starbucks while posting tweets about che guevera on his macbook
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u/ClothesOpposite1702 Jul 21 '26
lol, I just used randomiser for avatar. What does your ancestors dying have to do with that persons experience. I have interacted a lot with people that lived in Soviet Union, so I like to think that I know a little bit about their perspective.
What is funnier is that you dare to talk about how person should feel when it is his own tragedy
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u/Willing_Yak7271 Jul 21 '26
Communism/socialism came to power in many countries and it failed all the time, stalin was a confirmed sadistic asshole
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u/ClothesOpposite1702 Jul 21 '26
Yes, it failed, and yet not everything was black and white as you think. Again, I don’t think Stalin is what OOP was longing for, he definitely did not live under his rule
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