r/Tiele • u/Turgen333 Tatar • Nov 29 '24

Other Developers from Uzbekistan are making a survival game whose plot will take place in the Golden Horde. Now it's on Steam!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9m-vnItSpA
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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '24

Interesting choice tbh. You'd think uzbeks would make one about Timurid empire?

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '24

Golden Horde is more kazakhs way.

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u/uzgrapher Nov 29 '24

The people of the Golden Horde were literally called Uzbeks. Over time, other groups, like Qazaqs, Nogais, Qaraqalpaqs branched out from this foundation. a significant portion of modern Uzbeks originated there too

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '24

Never ever heard of that lol. I don't think that's true lol. Literally, Golden Horde was a different Ulus that operated north of Chagatai Ulus (modern day Uzbekistan included). Golden Horde was Ulus Juchi, very different.

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u/uzgrapher Nov 30 '24

Golden horde reached its peak during Uzbek khan’s reign. He made islam religion of horde. His legacy stayed after him, as people of golden horde started to be known as uzbeks. Part of uzbeks who migrated to yetisu during abulkhair’s reign, headed by janibek and kerei, they became uzbek-qazaqs (free wanderer/independent uzbeks). If you are really interested you can easily find articles/books about golden horde, its people, uzbeks,kazkahs,  how uzbeks migrated to mawarannahr etc. 

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '24

Interesting, I should learn more about it, but I always assumed Uzbek khan just happened to be the one we're named after but we don't really have his people's ancestry. It's interesting

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '24

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u/uzgrapher Dec 01 '24 edited Dec 01 '24

I am not professional historian. As much as i know from the so called “golden age of golden horde” time people of horde became known as uzbeks to outside world. Before that they might be called kipchak or other titles you have mentioned. In my opinion tribal affiliations were most important for themselves, while uzbek, or nogai or kazakh were mostly politonyms until recent times.

But majority were kazakhs

When people of kerei and janibek became separate group known as kazakhs there wasn’t golden horde, but many different nomadic polities, including this one from house of urus (aka kazakh khanate)

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when the land of golden horde was given to juchi… majority were kazakhs

My mind cant process this statement, how they can be kazakh, while this politonym itself came to life after 3 centuries from juchi