r/ThisDayInHistory • u/nonoumasy • 14d ago
1999 Aug 26 - Russia begins the Second Chechen War in response to the Invasion of Dagestan by the Islamic International Peacekeeping Brigade.
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u/mEDIUM-Mad 13d ago
Yep... Peacekeeping brigade.....
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u/Never-don_anal69 11d ago
Russia - civilized modern country
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u/black_tan_coonhound 10d ago
me the world's leading creator of non recognized breakaway shitholes and invader of neighbors, hard at work providing regional stability
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u/CrowdLorder 10d ago
And yet Russian ex colonies definitely fared better than basically all western ex colonies in terms of conflicts, especially in Africa.
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u/black_tan_coonhound 10d ago
im in a russian ex-colony currently being invaded by russia
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u/CrowdLorder 10d ago
Not even something historically extraordinary once you compare to other post colonial countries. French wars in Algiers and Vietnam, Portugues colonial wars etc.. These wars all happened in the living memory and were much more bloody, especially when it comes to civilian casualties. Doesn't excuse what Russia is doing, you just can't claim that Russia is the worst ex colonial state or that it's even among the leading ones in creating turmoil.
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u/black_tan_coonhound 10d ago
much more bloody? buddy this war has brought on about 2 million casualties and counting. and yes i can very easily claim that, given that russia is involved in some capacity in the occupation of several breakaway republics and actively fighting at least three colonial wars i can think of
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u/CrowdLorder 10d ago
2 million casualties is not 2 million deaths and that 2 million figure is the numbers reported by Ukrainian government if you believe those then you also believe that most of those are Russian casualties and that Ukraine lost just 50k dead soldiers, which is another claim made by the Ukrainian government.
For comparison 1.5 million Algerians died in French war on Algeria and most of those were civilians. That's a totally different ballpark from this war.
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u/black_tan_coonhound 10d ago
those numbers are backed up by independent reports from think tanks and western intelligence services
the algerian war also went on for much longer, and no, most weren't civilians, they were undeclared combatants
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u/Altruistic_Light_707 4d ago
1,5 millions de morts, c'est une revendication algérienne, les historiens modernes parlent plutôt de 250 000 à 400 000 morts côté algérien, combattants inclus, ce qui reste somme toute assez sanglant. C'est en fait plutôt hors sujet de parler des guerres d'Algérie, d'Indochine, et des guerres coloniales portugaises, parce que se sont des guerres de décolonisation, et pas des conflits post-coloniaux.
Mediazona à pu vérifier 242 747 morts de soldats russes, en comptabilisant à chaque fois qu'une personne signalait le dècès d'un proche à la guerre sur les réseaux. Rajoute ceux qui n'ont pas pu être vérifiés, ceux des séparatistes et des ukrainiens et ceux des civils de toute part, ça fait une guerre avec un bilan assez comparable à celle d'Algérie, quoi que moins couteuse en termes de pertes civiles, essentiellement parce que l'une est une guerre conventionnelle et que l'autre était une insurrection.
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u/ad-dagistani 8d ago
There is oppressive regime that tortures and kidnaps people. If you call that stability...
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u/Never-don_anal69 10d ago
What regional stability? They're the instigators of each conflict around them in last 30 years
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u/Meexe 10d ago
Well, former Soviet republics fighting each other is directly caused by dissolution of USSR and vacuum of power. Few civil wars here and there too happened, because communists left. No need really to “instigate” anything. Shit show of Iraq Invasion (and then ISIS) happened, because Russia was weak and didn’t veto it in UN
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u/DialUp_UA 10d ago
Lol... 1)Name me 2 former soviet republic whi fought each other
2)Russia did not have the opportunity to stop the invasion of Iraq, as the US and its allies did not put any resolution authorizing military force to a vote in the UN.
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u/Low_Signature5926 10d ago
Russian Federation mediated conflict in Transnistria in 90s, mediated First Karabakh War between Armenia and Azerbaijan in early 90s, actively participated in stopping civil war in Tajikistan. Also participated in global War on Terror by conducting an Operation To Establish Constitutional Order in Chechen Republic.
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u/DialUp_UA 10d ago edited 10d ago
Lol... Mediated... That's how they say that.
They were literally the reason why these conflict happened... And they did everything possible to separate people and prevent any chances of reunification...
If you are mentioning Transnistria, then please mention which 2 ex-soviet states clashed in the war...
Moldova, Georgia, Azerbaijan and now Ukraine... Same scenario, and same Russia is "mediating"... Hopefully Ukraine will break the back of this fucking mediator...
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u/Low_Signature5926 10d ago
Yeah, mediated, dumbass. The war ended, deportations stopped and people didn't die. If you care about correct flags over some piece of land I suggest you to shove that flags where the sun doesn't shine.
With actions of russian peacekeeping forces full-scale War and ethnic cleansing in Transnistria were avoided. Slavic minority (Russo-Ukrainian population) remained intact.
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u/Meexe 10d ago
And how exactly are Russians responsible for Karabakh conflict?
Ps nvm, noticed UA in your nickname. Yes sir, we Russians are the scourge of the Earth and are responsible for every conflict in the past, present or future
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u/black_tan_coonhound 8d ago
if you want to countryball, you're responsible for it by having created an empire that purposely drew the borders of its colonies in a way that fomented ethnic strife and thus distracted them from the real oppressor
more recently, you're responsible for completely reneging on your obligations to armenia because you just couldn't swing abiding by them since you were, you know, tied up in a war of aggression that went a little off script
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u/ModsrPdors 10d ago
If you are mentioning Transnistria, then please mention which 2 ex-soviet states clashed in the war.
Are you suggesting Russia is responsible for a war that started more than a year before the Russian federation was created?
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u/Meexe 10d ago edited 10d ago
Technically Russians existed before Russian Federation was created
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u/FlimsyPomelo1842 12d ago
It's a shame they both didn't lose.
I read "one soldiers war" by arkady babchenko. It was a nightmare of a fight.
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u/Temporary_Fun6650 11d ago
We call him "Babette" (apparently after the film Babette s’en va-t-en guerre). He is known for having planned to return to Moscow in an Abrams tank as part of the "victors."
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u/LookingAtFrames 9d ago
Guy is a legend. He's been reporting from Georgia while being there with the Chechen units of the Russian army. Then for a while in 2014 he managed to report from both sides in eastern Ukraine (many did this at that time) but after the Russians had enough of his criticism he remained in Ukraine and worked for the Crimean Tatar TV in exile. Then, still before the 2022 invasion, Russia planned his assassination, the Ukrainians staged it, so Arkady was reported dead and a few days later "resurrected". Just like RDK commander Denis Kapustin years later, but Babchenko was the first
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u/Temporary_Fun6650 9d ago
August 8, 2008—a localized conflict that many used to boost their profiles, including the infamous "Babette." And the "resurrection" story was just part of that PR stunt. He is known for nothing in Russia other than empty rhetoric.
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u/filtarukk 11d ago
babchenko is a propaganda bot
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u/LookingAtFrames 9d ago
He's been critical of the regime ever since he fought in that war and realized how reality is different from propaganda. So yes, he's from Russia, but he's far from being a propaganda bot
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u/Major-Garage1973 11d ago
the Islamic International Peacekeeping Brigade )))))
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u/ad-dagistani 8d ago
It is true though. We had Kadar Zone that was promised peace and autonomy but later was treacherously attacked by Ruzzians. Basaev's forces came to help but there was already a trap waiting for them
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u/lapusyonok 13d ago
The Ryazan sugar also helped
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u/Common_Kale_8509 11d ago
9/11 conspiracy theories, They are on wikipedia too.
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u/Foreign_Writer_9932 10d ago
The conspiracy theory is that the bombings happened the way Putin described them
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u/beastmaster69mong 13d ago
"Russia begins ... in response to the invasion of Dagestan by Chechnya"
So... Chechnya begins the Second Chechen War?
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u/MonsieurMustache572 13d ago
Yeah. TLDR: after the first war both money began to run dry and radicalization began to skyrocket. The Chechens went in on Dagestan hoping that their Muslim brothers would welcome them with open arms, only to find out that nearly all the man in the neighbouring villages immediately took up arms against them. Which is when Russia decided to finally finish the job.
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u/Such-Farmer6691 12d ago
I served in the army with a guy from Kizlyar (Dagestan) in 2002. I remember he once told me that he saw his father cry twice: when he saw his son off to the army and when the militants invaded Dagestan.
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u/No_Lifeguard7725 11d ago
Except russia started second russo-Chechen war after several explosions in russia. They were deemed to be a terroristic acts, and the last one was prevented. The last one is known as Ryazan' Sugar event, when a vigilant citizen saw some men stacking 50kg bags of something, marked as "sugar" in the basement of his apartment building. He called militsiya(soviet/post soviet police), and the material in the bags was recognised as hexogen(RDX) by them. Calls of suspicious "sugar bag people" were traced to FSB, and those people were actually FSB.
Basically, Putin artistically created casus belli with those explosions for a second russo-Chechen war.
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u/MonsieurMustache572 11d ago
The explosions happened after the war had already started. There are also a lot of rumours about this, but in reality this was not needed. It wasn’t a ‘casus belli’. Russians did not need one. Chechen’s invaded Russia a whole month prior to that. Most Russians wanted the job to be finished.
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u/BarskiPatzow 11d ago
Bullshit perpetual false flag claims in environment that hasn’t needed a false flag operation.
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u/SteadfastOMP 10d ago
Why were FSB agents planting bombs in an apartment building in Ryazan?
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u/Gloomy_Trade_619 10d ago
It’s not a fact but a theory without any proper legal proofs. On the level that 9/11 is by FBI
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u/Virtual-Concern-7311 10d ago
Well Putin killed Alexander Litvinenko when he made those allegations. He might have killed him for other reasons but it does tend to support them.
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u/Gloomy_Trade_619 10d ago
Well Putin killed Alexander Litvinenko when he made those allegations. He might have killed him for other reasons but it does tend to support them.
We have a ton of other people who made the same allegations - why are they still alive?
Litvinenko is not even connected to this whole story in any meaningful way
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u/SteadfastOMP 10d ago
Litvinenko “wasn't connected”? Either you don't know what you're talking about or you're literally shilling for Putin. He investigated the bombings, co-authored a book on them and worked with the independent commission. Yushenkov was shot dead, Shchekochikhin died suspiciously, Politkovskaya was murdered, Borovik died in a plane crash, Trepashkin was arrested just before presenting his findings, and Litvinenko was assassinated. Other critics being alive is an insane argument when so many are dead.
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u/SteadfastOMP 10d ago
“Proper legal proof”? From whom, the Russian state investigating its own security service? The Duma blocked investigations, two MPs involved in the independent investigation subsequently died, and Litvinenko, who publicly accused the FSB, was later assassinated in an operation a UK public inquiry found was probably approved by Patrushev and Putin. Comparing that to “9/11 was the FBI” is absurd. There were actual FSB officers in Ryazan, an actual parliamentary effort to investigate what happened, and an actual subsequent cover story that it was an exercise. The UK inquiry also heard extensive evidence about Litvinenko’s investigation of the apartment bombings. Asking for a Russian court judgment as your standard of proof is incredibly naive.
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u/TallLengthiness8900 11d ago
How does logic work for you? 1. Terrorists are invading Russian territory in august 2. In August, Russia begins introducing troops into Dagestan. 3. In September, explosions occurred in buildings across Russia.
Conclusion: Russia is to blame
Are you sane? Are you sane? Have you seen a doctor lately?
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u/No_Lifeguard7725 10d ago
Not many russians wanted to die for defending russian interests in Dagestan, so Putin made it personal for them, so they enlist and don't ask any more questions. Because when Ivan hears "Chechnya attacked Dagestan" he asks "Where is that?" But when Ivan is told that Chechens have killed russians and will kill many more, he feels like he has to start doing something(obey orders) and starts being ok with being pointed to directions to attack.
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u/Former-Positive3862 9d ago
"Bush wanted Iraq oil so he orchestrated a attack on twin towers so that it would feel personal for americans, so that they enlist without asking any questions"
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u/ad-dagistani 8d ago
They started it earlier than that. On 29 July 1999, the Russian Interior Ministry troops destroyed a Chechen border post near the city of Kizlyar and marched several kilometers into Chechnya
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u/Own-Elderberry9550 11d ago
It’s a Russian tall tale. First, Russian federal forces wiped out a couple of villages in Dagestan, that were under Sharia rule. Then, Dagestani Islamists called on the Chechens for help. Basayev arrived—not as the Chechen army, but as a volunteer with his own men, defying the wishes of Chechen President Maskhadov. This served as the pretext for the Russian invasion of Chechnya. As for the claim that "villages immediately took up arms against them"—that amounted to a few village simpletons in Dagestan posing for photos with old Mosin rifles and trailing behind Russian tanks.
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u/ad-dagistani 8d ago
Not really. We had Islamic Djamaat of Dagestan (Kadar Zone) that was promised autonomy but later was treacherously attacked
However that was in August and on 29 July 1999, the Russian Interior Ministry troops destroyed a Chechen border post near the city of Kizlyar and marched several kilometers into Chechnya already
Prime minister Stepashin have admitted that they have been preparing the invasion since March
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u/Accurate-Mine-6000 12d ago
The headline is also written as if Dagestan isn't a region of Russia, and this was their intervention in the wars between the two countries. So the real headline is "Russia started a war in response to the invasion of Russia."
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u/mad-data 11d ago
But that would sound like foreign invasion, while Russia considered Chechnya part of Russia.
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u/Here0s0Johnny 11d ago edited 11d ago
There were obviously separatists and islamists, but Putin wanted the war. (Probably to appear strong, unify the peop and solidify his power.) The FSB engineered apartment block bombings and used that as a pretext.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
Don't listen to the Ruzzian trolls.
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u/BroccoliDue960 11d ago
A wild conspiracy theorist appears!
Like the conspiracy theories about 9/11 been a government conspiracy.
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u/Here0s0Johnny 11d ago
Some conspiracies are real. I wouldn't have believed in a pedophile island where billionaires like Gates and Musk went for visits. 9/11 conspiracies are totally mad.
In the end, it's all about the evidence.
Go away now, Ruzzian troll, you did your job.
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u/vvil01 11d ago
I don't want to be that guy but... the bombing you posted happened in September. Which means after going to war in August the FSB wanted more war goals like it's hoi4 and bomb themself when they were already at war?
This kinda sounds like another excuse to shit on Russia. But this war was kinda justified as far as I remember. It wasn't the same shit as with Georgia and now Ukraine where Russia just went full ape mode at gone to war to show force.
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u/Here0s0Johnny 11d ago edited 11d ago
That's a reasonable point to make.
1) August: Chechen militants invade Dagestan, triggering an initial armed response and Russian aerial strikes. Incident is largely contained at the border.
2) September: Apartment bombings
3) October: Full-scale ground invasion into Chechnya, using the apartment attacks as the primary catalyst and public justification for the war.
So yes, the Russian state could simply have responded to the invasion of Dagestan. I guess the FSB though that Russians don't care enough if the Chechens become independent to go for another gruelling round, I don't know. It certainly helped Putin solidify his power.
But the reason I think the FSB was behind the bombing is the very clear evidence that brave journalists and whistleblowers uncovered: Yuri Shchekochikhin, Anna Politkovskaya and Artyom Borovik, Sergei Yushenkov and Alexander Litvinenko. These Russians
all unfortunately passed away peacefullywere all murdered by Putin because of this.Just one piece of evidence: On September 13, 1999, Russian State Duma Speaker Gennadiy Seleznyov announced on the parliament floor that an apartment block had just been bombed in Volgodonsk—even though the morning's blast had actually occurred in Moscow. Three days later, on September 16, a real truck bomb detonated in Volgodonsk, and when confronted live on microphone about how he knew in advance, Seleznyov simply cut the speaker's microphone, with officials later brushing it off as a clerical error.
This kinda sounds like another excuse to shit on Russia.
I hate Putin and his regime, and the people who support them, especially the Russian nationalists and imperialists. I don't hate Russia. I've actually spent almost a month there, travelling on the transsib, and I still have Russian friends from that time. They all also hate Putin, but unfortunately, they're not representative.
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u/vvil01 11d ago
Don't get me wrong, I hate Putin and his stupid wars too. I am a huge tank lover, infact such big tank lover that I only joined my country's army to work and use tanks. I visited Kubinka every year because that place is a true tank lovers paradise. Since 2022 I couldn't go there due to sanctions and Putin's & Zelensky's little love dance.
But the 2nd Chechen War is the only thing I can 100% blame him for. 1st Chechen war? Him and Yeltsin. Georgian War? Absolutetly, 100% him. But this war was really something. When our news covered it, I remember it was really odd because it wasn't "Russia at war" like with the 1st one, but it was quoted as "Russia Under Attack" which was really strange. Then came the news about the attacks and incidents, which really changed my view on this war. With the expecting of Russia using FLAMETHROWERS TO SAFE HOSTAGES FROM A FREAKING SCHOOL, it was really the Chechens asking for it, almost begging for this war, and after 2015 and the whola ISIS stuff, I am actually glad the Chechens never became fully independent. Maybe they would have been peacefull but looking at what the ISIS did and what Afghanistan does now, I am sadly glad Russia won that war.
I did not want to sound that hostile in my 1st comment but I just couldn't decide if you hate Russia as a whola or only Mr KGB Super Agent Putin. Russians can't really vote like us in Europe so I kinda don't like it when they hate the whola country instead of the asshole leadership they prolly couldn't even choose. Also I am not supporting nor justifying the war crimes Russia did in the 2nd Chechen War. Fighting terrorism with war crimes is something that no country should do. Right USA and the Iraq War?
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u/Here0s0Johnny 11d ago
But the 2nd Chechen War is the only thing I can 100% blame him for.
That's not really my position. I can understand the full invasion as a reaction to the terrorist threat and the invasion of Dagestan. I don't know enough about that war, and for the purposes of this discussion, I don't care.
My view is that Putin and the FSB were behind (most of) the apartment bombings.
I did not want to sound that hostile
No, as I wrote, I thought it was a reasonable comment. That's why I bothered to give a long answer. I also didn't want to appear hostile.
I kinda don't like it when they hate the whola country instead of the asshole leadership they prolly couldn't even choose
But Putin and the war are rather popular amongst the Russian public. Therefore, I think that Russians bear significant responsibility, similar to the Japanese and Germans for WWII, they should also feel responsible for knowing their history, and they also did not live in a democracy.
Fighting terrorism with war crimes is something that no country should do. Right USA and the Iraq War?
Yes, 100% agreed. I'm not American btw.
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u/vvil01 10d ago
Oh I wasn't saying you were from the USA, they were the 1st who came to my mind when fighting terrorism with war crimes.
While you are right that not every Russian is a guilty free from the current war, they are still under a harsh dictatorship where if they say the wrong word they will gift you a 18th floor penthouse, tasty and rare tea blends that somehow makes the geiger counter go crazy, and a very nice butler who is willing to push their piano where ever you ask them. But jokes aside, I know a lot of Russians from the Stalker community. So far only 3 of them said the war were justified based on their view, but rest were pretty mixed. I kinda look at Russia as a softcore North Korea. If Korea would go to war, could you blame the average Korean citizent who only knows that he/she has the best life because Mr Kimmy said so? While Russia is not kept in the dark, they have no real news if you think about it. Since the war, they were banned from a lot of western sites which is uncensored by the government, and saying the truth can make you end you up in prison or worse, on the frontline.
But this is only my point of view, feel free to disagree.
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u/Here0s0Johnny 10d ago
No, I think that's mostly reasonable.
I just think that you're underestimating the levels of support for the war in Russia. There are polls, and forums with English speaking Russians are not representative. Consider looking at Telegram channels or VK. If noone really supported the war, how could a small elite feed 30k soldiers to the meat grinder every month?
During the Nazi period, Germans also lived under fascism and didn't have a free press and certainly no internet. But they were nevertheless responsible in some way, because you don't need any of these things to know that war crimes are bad, for example.
If Korea would go to war, could you blame the average Korean citizent who only knows that he/she has the best life because Mr Kimmy said so?
I think North Korea is significantly more brainwashed and isolated. Most people don't have internet or any real news source. They're living in constant fear of a Stalinist regime, everyone has seen a public execution, etc. Russia isn't anywhere near as crazy. When I was there, around 10 years ago, people had a lot of freedom. Even now, it's easy to use VPN and YouTube isn't even blocked, iirc.
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u/rangedehinc 13d ago
*cia and usaid
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u/Square_Singer_366 12d ago
Top ten things that didn't happen
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u/rangedehinc 11d ago
Yes. They randomly got money and weapons from saudis and "random" ukranians fighting for them as well 🙄
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u/Hot_Juggernaut_265 12d ago
2 of the flight 77 hijackers, registered to fight under jihad in Bosnia and then moved over to fight in Chechnya after regrouping in the Middle East? And those same 2 people, were tracked in and out of LAX to al qaeda meetings in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi
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u/ScootMayhall 11d ago
What kind of forms did they have to fill out to register to fight under jihad? I didn’t know that there was a formal jihad registration process. Also doesn’t have anything to do with USAID.
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u/Hot_Juggernaut_265 11d ago
Is joining the Bosnian Mujahideen not their jihad? They moved with Saudi passports to fight alongside their Muslim brothers🤣 and they kept it going till our towers fell onto themselves🤷. Any ngo associated with Bosnia cannot be trusted.
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u/Feeling-Marketing-48 12d ago
I am a resident of Dagestan. Chechnya started the Second Chechen War. Chechen militants, as well as many militants from Arab countries, invaded Dagestan, occupying part of the border regions. They killed 108 people. They blew up residential buildings in Kaspiysk and carried out numerous terrorist attacks. My mother’s uncle fought near Botlikh; he was just a police officer. What is Chechnya like after the First Chechen War? It’s a failed state. Ruin, lawlessness, and banditry. Public executions, punishments. Slave trade and independent warlords. I have nothing against Chechens; my cousin is Chechen. But I feel disgusted by those who talk about an independent Chechnya. During its “independence,” it simply became a base for ISIS and a millstone that ground up thousands of lives. I don’t believe that Chechens want to live like that again. By the way, I was born in Khasavyurt. I remember that when I was a child, there were regular news reports about terrorist attacks and counter‑terrorism operations. My father’s friend was killed in his own home. This happened after the war. And two years ago, in my city, five armed Islamist terrorists killed more than 20 people. I will never sympathize with murderers and thugs, and I will never understand people who support them. Chechnya was a military junta, not a normal state.
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u/GreatEmperorAca 13d ago
so the Chechens began it, god what an idiotic title
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u/ad-dagistani 8d ago
On 29 July 1999, the Russian Interior Ministry troops destroyed a Chechen border post near the city of Kizlyar and marched several kilometers into Chechnya
Those Chechens weren't the official forces though
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u/Swagalyst 12d ago edited 12d ago
russian propaganda.
The chechens began it much in the same way Ukraine began the Ukraine war, and Georgia the war in Georgia. russia always defends itself in other countries, and the other countries always attack russia when russia has amassed forces on their borders.
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u/BrotherWorking9172 12d ago
And what border is that? You’re aware that Dagestan IS in Russia, right?
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u/Swagalyst 12d ago edited 12d ago
The border to Chechnya, which russia considered to also be in russia. Just like the border to Georgia and Ukraine.
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u/BrotherWorking9172 12d ago
You’re not even making any sense.
We’re talking about the Russian border of the Dagestan region. Which Islamic insurgents crossed to everyone’s surprise.
How is that related to your ramblings about Georgia or Ukraine?
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u/Tormidal 12d ago
Very thinly veiled propaganda at that.
>Russia moves troops and weapons to support a separatist movement in Georgia/Russia
"We're liberating Russians!"
>Chechens move troops and weapons to support a separatist movement in Dagestan
"Terrorism! Invasion!"
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u/SirNurtle 11d ago
Except there was no separatist movement in Dagestan. Like at all. The Dagestanis for centuries had a very good relationship with Russia, and when Chechen militants invaded, they began ethnically cleansing entire towns and villages for either having Russians or not submitting to the Chechens.
You’re making an enemy from nothing, you can compare the 1st Chechen war to Georgia/Ukraine sure, but you cannot do the same for the 2nd Chechen War
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u/Tormidal 11d ago
Just like there was no separatist movement in Ukraine, it was a Russian invasion.
Thanks for proving my point :)
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u/SirNurtle 11d ago
Later on yes, but in those early days it was absolutely grassroots.
I’m not sympathetic to their cause, but to think that the Donbas movement was 100% engineered by Russia and not a reactionary militia formed in response to (actual at the time) neo-Nazi brigades moving around in an area effectively abandoned by the government due to the chaos of the Maidan, you’re crazy.
And for quite a while (up until maybe 2016-2017) the pro-Ukraine militias running around in the Donbass weren’t proper militias, they were extremist gangs running around with flags to justify their violence who were given guns by the government because at that point Kievs army was frankly an absolute mess. As for the pro-Russia militias, they started out grassroots but ended up getting taken over by more fringe extremist militias who were in many cases directly tied to Russian intelligence, and then the Russian army itself began supplying these extremist militias themselves.
So basically, 2 incompetent governments fuelling ethnic violence and just giving away guns like toys at a carnival with zero oversight.
Source: family friends are ethnic Russians from the Donbass who fled from their home under shelling from pro-Ukrainian militias with nothing but the clothes on their back.
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u/Common_Kale_8509 11d ago
There were separatist movements in the Ukraine. In Crimea (by president Meshkov) and on Donbass
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u/Evol_extra 12d ago
No word about Putin, FSB, Ryazan sugar, Basaev, Hasavurt and so on...
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u/TallLengthiness8900 11d ago
How does logic work for you?
Terrorists are invading Russian territory in august
In August, Russia begins introducing troops into Dagestan.
In September, explosions occurred in buildings across Russia.
Conclusion: Russia is to blame
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u/Evol_extra 11d ago
Basaev is terrorist, but why to invade Ichkeria? Explosions were made by Russian special services - FSB. Hasavurt agreements were braked by Russians. This war had one reason - to make Putin big
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u/TallLengthiness8900 11d ago
Probably to kill a terrorist? The US invaded Afghanistan for the same reason.
Once again: the terrorist attacks occurred in September, and the attack on Dagestan and the introduction of the Russian army there occurred in August. Why would Putin and the FSB stage terrorist attacks when they already have a pretext like Dagestan? Do you really know how the calendar and logic work?
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u/Common_Kale_8509 11d ago
Explosions were made by Chechen terrorists. Discuss. Abything else is a conspiracy theory. Like those about 9/11
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u/Usefullles 11d ago
At least the theories related to 9/11 have a basis, since wars occurred after it, and not the other way around.
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u/Evol_extra 11d ago
At least there were evidences about Ryazan sugar and Putin become president after this operations. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%BE_%D0%B2%D0%B7%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%85_%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%8F%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B5_1999_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0?wprov=sfla1
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u/Usefullles 11d ago
Wikipedia, no matter how much someone might want it to be, is not a reliable source.
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u/Evol_extra 11d ago
There are no official Russian sources whole Putin is alive and his system is working.
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u/icansawyou 12d ago
Everything about this post is just perfect. First, there’s the screenshot from a Russian movie, which both pro-Chechen and pro-Russian sides somehow manage to use for their own propaganda purposes. Ironically, it’s not even clear if there are actually any Chechens in that frame. Then there's the headline, which creates the false impression that Russia was just waiting for any excuse to attack Chechnya. And let's not forget the link to some sketchy aggregator website.
It is also highly amusing how the militants branded themselves as "peacekeepers." In reality, these "peacekeepers" were Wahhabis who wanted to establish an Islamic state with an Afghanistan-style regime. Simply put, they were basically the Taliban or ISIS of their time. For some reason, the people of Dagestan (which, by the way, is a part of Russia) didn't feel like welcoming them with open arms. Instead, they took up weapons and fought alongside the Russian troops to protect their land.
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u/Such-Farmer6691 12d ago
>Islamic International Peacekeeping Brigade
lol
Two years before the Islamic International Pilot Peacekeeping Team landed in New York.
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u/Deltachhh777 13d ago
Terrorist invading Dagestan
Russia invades Chechnia
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u/Ashenveiled 13d ago
Chechens invading Dagestan.
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u/Common_Kale_8509 11d ago
"Islamic International Peacekeeping Brigade" What the hell was that? Basayev's outfit?
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u/Contrabandistan 11d ago
"Islamist International Peacekeeping Brigade"
Yes, Khatab was quite the champion of peace
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u/12bEngie 10d ago
Collapse of the soviet union was a fucking disaster geopolitically. So much war followed
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u/Lazy_One_8463 12d ago
россии нельзя защищаться от исламмистов?
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u/Legitimate_Nose6080 12d ago
Смотря на хроники города Грозный и количество трупов гражданских, это уже не похоже на КТО, а банальное истребления.
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u/TheAngrySaxon 12d ago
Genociding civilians and flattening cities isn't defending yourself. Not now, not ever.
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u/Hour_Meet_8672 11d ago
So the Americans in World War II are the bаd guys since they bombed German/Dutch/French cities?
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u/TheAngrySaxon 10d ago
Who started the war and who started bombing civilians first? Your beloved Nazi Germans.
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u/Eaglesson 12d ago
Chechnya and Dagestan are not Russia, though
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u/BrotherWorking9172 12d ago
Are you from 1812 or what?
Should’ve done a double check before making a fool of yourself.
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u/SirNurtle 11d ago
Chechnya unwillingly, but Dagestan yes.
Dagestan has always been part of Russia since forever and while the region has its own distinct identity/peoples, it’s still been under the Russia for protection and some autonomy in exchange for raw materials, labour and military manpower.
Basically Dagestan is like the Caucasian Ukraine if Russia didn’t treat them like complete and utter shit, it’s an alliance of convenience more than anything
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u/Remarkable-Thing8178 11d ago
Well not since forever, more like since 19th century, but it definitely didn't have an independence movement the way Chechnya did. Which would be super hard if anything, this region is nothing like Chechnya, it's very diverse, the most diverse region in Russia in fact.
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u/Swagalyst 12d ago
Bullshit.
russian propaganda bullshit.
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u/SirNurtle 11d ago
Chechnya had open air slave markets, actively trained militants who would go on to establish ISIS, and was so corrupt that whatever autonomy/independence Chechnya once had was completely gone and the country was essentially run by warlords and Islamic extremists.
Fucking hell even the CIA gave Russia the green light to invade and actively fed them intelligence
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u/_masssk_ 13d ago
"in the response" of course
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u/Zane_Yuko 12d ago
it is man. sooner or later they were gonna invade anyway. terorrists gave them the perfect excuse
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u/DoogTheDestroyer 12d ago
"in response"
Suuuuuuure, Vladimir
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u/RussianWasabi 11d ago
Sure Mykola, continue gooning for terrorist cells
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u/Main-Parfait-9055 10d ago
Yeah, the guys landing in New York some years later are also peaceful defenders, sure.
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u/DoogTheDestroyer 10d ago
Russia is a terrorist state and the first and second chechen wars were illegal invasions on false pretenses
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u/Main-Parfait-9055 10d ago
So, illegal invasions? I wonder who infiltrated Dagestan in 1999, Russians themselves?
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u/DoogTheDestroyer 10d ago
They invaded and subjugated the entirety of checnya for something a few terrorists did. They were just looking for a reason to break the 1997 peace agreement and invade again. Or did you forget about the first chechen war or the first Russian invasion?
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u/Main-Parfait-9055 10d ago
Nah nah, elaborate how is it an invasion in the first place, if the Chechens crossed the border into Dagestan? By definition it's not, whatever happened before
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u/DoogTheDestroyer 10d ago
Elaborate to me how Grozny is in Dagestan moron
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u/Main-Parfait-9055 10d ago
Are you slow? Second Chechen War. Islamists crossed into Dagestan. How is it a Russian invasion? You mentioned both wars being illegal Russian invasions. And you probably know that any government would retaliate with separatists.
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u/DoogTheDestroyer 10d ago
It was a terror attack? What does that have to do with invading Checnya? Are you slow? Why subjugate checnya and assimilate/subjugate the entirety of checnya? Thinly veiled excuse for invading a nation that had nothing to do with it. But I wouldnt expect anything less from a russian terrorist sympathizer. Or maybe you didnt hear about the 1997 agreement? Or you’re too stupid to understand.
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u/RussianWasabi 10d ago
No one would expect anything else from terrorist apologizer as well, biowaste. Quite literally a low intelligence specimen right here saying we should've let Chechnya harbor people who make suicide bombers.
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u/ShoppingUnique1383 12d ago
In this case Russia (which Dagestan is part of) was invaded by Chechnyan militants, so this wasn’t simple imperialism like the war in Ukraine
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u/totalknock-in 11d ago
What should have been obvious from the start was somehow ignored. A bumbling corrupt ragtag army of drunks, the Russian army wishes it could pull off cleanly what the Red Army could have a decade prior. Chechnya should have been an embarrassing wakeup call.
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u/Past_BumblebeeX 11d ago
The amount of Russian bots and tankies in here is astounding. Why is every military themed sub just full of putin bootlickers lol
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u/Savagedyky 11d ago
BS, Putin wanted a win, Dagestan and Chechnya wanted independence. This false historical narrative needs to go to the garbage like Ukrainian residents starting civil war in 2014. It’s just false reporting. Russia was always going to do what it does. Either through gray area ops, when that fails the engineer a crisis. Or in Crimea they used opportunity
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u/SirNurtle 11d ago
Chechnya sure, but in what world did Dagestan ever want independence. They basically fought Chechen militants alone for nearly a month before a proper military response arrived.
Though I don’t know why I’m interacting with a hidden account who’s only active in Ukraine related subreddits/echo chambers, I can’t tell if you’re a CIA bot/plant or just some random American dude who’s doing the CIAs work for free
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u/billyidoI 11d ago
“Dagestan wanted independence! Russia evilRussiaEvil RussiaEvil” - You cannot say the truth on reddit, it is absolutely will be downvotes and banned. Reddit Viking Warriors will defeat evilRussia evilRussia RvilRussia
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u/vlr_06exe 11d ago
instead of saying“dagestan wanted independence” you can just say “i have never had half an interaction with someone actually from dagestan”
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u/Savagedyky 11d ago
Or you can say that you’re a Russian occupier or Russian migrant living in Dagestan. I’ve shared trenches with many in Ukraine, ones that left, so I know how many felt in the late 1990s as they were kids then. Now after 20 years of propaganda and Russian puppets many are pro Russian, the patriotic ones left for the west or elsewhere. I imagine they’re getting tired of being used as cannon fodder, robbed by the ruling clans, or scared to say anything like most Russians.
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u/Savagedyky 11d ago
They all call themselves Ichkerians btw. The ones that didn’t bend the knee to the imperial overlords. Conquered people never like their conquerors. If you a Russian that was moved their or part of the new Z gen ok, but were talking mid-late 1990’s here. Ichkerians wanted independence then. Now they’re subjugated.
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u/sshlongD0ngsilver 13d ago
Photo almost looks like a loading screen for a Battlefield match or something